Normally I'm with Jeff Jarvis on the business acumen of Mark Cuban: that Cuban's a very opportunistic and amazingly lucky guy rather than an unusually smart guy. However, I think he's right about YouTube:
Billionaire investor and dot-com veteran Mark Cuban had harsh words on Thursday for YouTube, the online site that lets people share video clips, saying only a "moron" would purchase the wildly popular start-up.
Cuban, co-founder of HDNet and owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks, also said YouTube would eventually be "sued into oblivion" because of copyright violations.
"They are just breaking the law," Cuban told a group of advertisers in New York. "The only reason it hasn't been sued yet is because there is nobody with big money to sue."
There's a scumbag down in Brazil who takes female muscle video from all the major North American and European suppliers, compiles it and resells it as his own. He's a pirate, obviously, and he gets money in exchange for committing a crime. I don't like what he does, but I understand why he does it: money. I do not, however, understand YouTube pirates. These are guys who have a piece of video that was produced by someone else, and they upload it to YouTube - in violation of federal law - for no potential monetary gain. They are committing a potential felony for no apparent reason, and they are counting on YouTube being willing and able to protect them from lawsuits or prosecution. It's not a smart bet.
Surely its not that hard to understand? Pick one reason from - getting one over on "the man"; vague anti-capitalism; warped sense of altruism (in that they are providing free stuff for others, ignoring the damage done to the actual copyright holder).
There is a vast amount of pirated content online - as I am sure you know much better than I do. The file-sharing networks for a start account for some huge % of net traffic (or at least they did a year or two ago). The thousands upon thousands of people who upload this stuff aren't all wildly irrational. I think its fair to say they just have a different viewpoint and assign different moral values to the situation.
I agree with you that its not smart, but it is completely understandable (from a certain viewpoint at least).
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2006-09-28 18:50:36
mark cuban?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast.com
thats exactly the wrong guy to say anything about youtube or piracy
search for him on youtube... 'mark cuban is a retarded' I think, strange fella
that wasn't a smart bet Lingster, youtube is one of the greatest things since wikipedia, and you cant own the video, as the broadcast.com you couldn't own the audio 10 years before (poor Yahoo...)
They erase the video at any complaint of abuse (or nipples), you know it, it has control, P2P doesnt
you cant put that brazilian guy and the youtube in the same bag, is just not fair
and for the money... just a moron would buy Google?
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2006-09-28 18:55:22
People are busy putting pirated files up on YouTube and very few people seem to care. YouTube can't keep track so they feel safe. Some of the websites also seem to think it's too much of a bother. The first time I did it it took me a couple of hours to list all the pirated Awefilms stuff up there. It was over a hundred. Most by one guy. But we couldn't identify the guy without going through a major lawsuit BUT we could send the list to You Tube and they took it down. Now it takes less than half an hour every other week to police them. And YouTube yanks them in a few hours.
YouTube essentially set up this system so it could build a base and then get into legit pay-per-view file sharing and seems to be on it's way. Pity because most of the files look like crap.
Even worse is Veoh where you can actually download the videos with their software instead of some third party stripper program with YouTube.
I've mentioned the file sharing to several other sites and they've been rather apathetic. This is what the pirates want. They want you to just ignore them while they rob you blind. They don't understand that as much as we like this it is a business and there is a point where some of us will go back to other work. :cry:
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Taking the money out
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2006-09-29 06:25:47
YouTube pirates reduce the amount of money that moves through the system, which will necessarily result in fewer films and photo galleries produced, as well as increased subscription rates on those sites that survive.
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2006-09-29 09:54:22
Lingster wrote:
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ube pirates reduce the amount of money that moves through the system, which will necessarily result in fewer films and photo galleries produced, as well as increased subscription rates on those sites that survive.
Yes, maybe, but maybe the whole subscription system of these sites just dont work. Some bodybuilders videos can get more than half a million views on youtube in less than 3 months, that's an audience so much bigger than any of these sites. In terms of making the female muscle popular, its a great tool.
Soon, will be there a way to these millions worldwide-numbers became a profitable way to share videos, probably the athletes themselves will receive the money, not the site host. If it can work with music, why not videos? Its just have to be one huge system to work, and not thousands different systems.
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2006-09-29 11:45:17
nowredux wrote:
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, will be there a way to these millions worldwide-numbers became a profitable way to share videos, probably the athletes themselves will receive the money, not the site host. If it can work with music, why not videos? Its just have to be one huge system to work, and not thousands different systems.
Are you working on this yourself or are you speculating? The athletes already get paid by the site owners, and some run their own sites, besides. If people stop paying for these videos, then the producers and athletes will stop making them. It's really that simple. The extent to which people cease paying will determine the extent to which production decreases.
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2006-09-29 14:28:32
I never said thats cool to post pirate stuff, it brings bad karma as jobs said, and times are changing again. I dont really believe that youtube will be the final solution to a free-market video, that will be itunes store or/and that microsoft's points. Youtube will be incorporate under one of these systems one day, or both. Its a win-win-win situation.
I work with this myself and I am speculating
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2006-09-29 14:38:20
Bad karma?
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2006-09-29 17:10:32
I think steve jobs gives us the most logical angle about piracy in this 2003 [url=http://rds.yahoo.com/TID=V999_7/S=96781308/ K=apple+special+even
t/v=2/SID=w/l=VDP/SIG=12vem2dlm/EXP=1132525914/*-http%3A//realserver.princeton.edu:8080/ramgen/special/ 20030428appleTV8300K
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he begans with 'dont mess with karma' @ 20 minutes. Its in realplayer, one more reason to youtube exists
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2006-09-29 17:12:05
My point is that there's no such thing as "bad karma". "Bad karma" is something stoned hippies use as a justification for doing or not doing something - it's not the basis for a rational argument.
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2006-10-01 16:13:49
man, you sound like eric cartman. Calling Jobs a 'stoned hippie' will not be a good thing to your karma. Take some meditation, a good weed, buy an ipod and relax (Joking)
you dont have to buy my 'bad karma' argument to understand my point of view. Subscriptions services just dont work. Youtube show this by the numbers. Lets say a FBB sells her videos for $0,01 in youtube, in less than 3 months it can be 5000 dollars, now you get it?
