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I have written a few short stories / comic strips for my own "amusement", shall we say, but rarely do I use the current norms for women as a base.  I haven't released any to the public, because well, they are really just designed for my tastes and they aren't really your classic "schmoe fantasy" with girls kicking everyone's ass, etc.   That and I have doubts about my writing (and grammatical) mastery.  I let the "pros" release their work.  Mine's really just for fun.   

I do write a story loosely based on real society now and again, but I find these limiting, and usually focusing negatively on a society that frowns on female muscle in general.  Usually in these cases, the girls are "breaking free" from the current system of female muscle hating, and changing attitudes towards well-built women.  Like I said, negative in general. 

But, in most cases, I just make a new society where people don't think twice about a woman being strong and built.  Not necessarily every woman in these worlds is built to the max, but being muscular is always seen as a desirable trait.   My attitude about the amount of muscular women is -- the more the merrier.  I don't think having more dilutes the "novelty" of beautiful muscle women.  For me it isn't about novelty anyway.  It's just the aesthetic and functional aspects that turn me on to female muscle in general. 

Like I said, I'm not into total domination stories, so naturally I have the males pretty well built as well.  I suppose because I like to picture myself as a buff guy (I'm not small, but kind of tall/lanky -- or at least was) landing a bunch of muscle chicks.  Usually the men and women are pretty comparitive in strength.  Sometimes I make the men a little bigger and stronger, others I make a muscle matriarchy.   Either way, the women are more than capable of handling their own affairs.

As far as settings, I like to have the world isolated from "reality".  That said, I usually connect it to real life as an offshoot group of some sorts.  There are many ways I do this:

- Parallel timelines. I.e. same place, same time; but there was a branching point in the past that makes this society markedly different.
- Space colony.  Sometimes I have aliens invade, others I have a group based from earth crash on a faraway planet.   
- "Gilligan's Island".  A group crashes on a tropical, isolated island.   This group starts a society.  Just a more primitive version of the space scenario.
- Post-global disaster.  The world population died out,save for a couple people.  These restarted a muscular society.


There are some ideas I have yet to try, like a society inverted from the current one.  Kind of like a satirical look at gender roles, but still a nice fantasy for traditional muscle fantasy purposes.

What if everything was reverse?  Muscular men were very rare, and women were the "strong" sex, dominated sports, etc.  Men who work out are looked at as "unmasculine".  Female equivalents to schmoes are looking at "MBBs" on the internet, and are looked down on by mainstream female society as deviants.   

Here are some examples of the possibilities:
- 80K screaming fans watch on as a buff female LB sacks a smaller female QB. 
- Winners of female bodybuilding competitions get a substantial paycheck.
- Some buff Austrian broad is the biggest action hero of the 80s and 90s. 
- All major fenale action heroes are very built, while guys like Wierd Al and Urkel are playing Superman.
- All the major political movements for women are replaced with men's movements.

Some interesting, arousing, and downright hilarious scenarios are potentially there. 

Interesting...

I usually favor the space colony idea. That or a superhero concept or a sudden mutation setting.

Doubts about your writing and grammar mastery?   :-\ That's like Will Smith thinking he's not up to his next movie... don't do dat.

Well, I like the alternate reality storyline myself, and have written one with Monty Bank, but I tend to not let fantasy get in the way of my harsh reality.  I'm a firm believer in cause and effect (including and especially the nasty backlashes that most fans of the genre tend to not consider) and what would REALLY happen.

For instance, I'm not sure if I can picture more female athletes in a buff female world.  According to "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus," women are more social and chatty, and prefer building relationships instead of a trophy collection.   If they ruled the world, we'd see more restaurants and coffee shops than sports arenas. 

And with writing a relationship with a guy and a bigger, stronger girl, I tend to make the fellow strong in heart, mind, soul, spirit, and general goodness.  And he is able to keep her fascination with his personality, confidence, and general sweetness.  He's not a total pie belly or stick figure, of course, but he's not gonna flex his way into her heart. 

Me, it looks like I tend to put my writings in worlds with cars and guns.  And lately, I'd been leaning to the post (or amid!) apocolyptic world, where we see the aftermath of a schmoe's fantasy gone totally wrong.

All the same, I believe we'd LOVE to see your writings.  Your first post is a winner... don't hide your light under a bushel basket!

To be honest, I'd say alternate histories are probably the most interesting. The others are kind of cheating ;)

If you do an alternate history, you can explain why things diverged... which is always fun.

Sudden mutation can be a fun one to do as well, it means you just take the contemporary world and do a contemporary reaction to it.

Heh, heh. I'd like to see a story where Planet Mars is destroyed. Then when they start replacing Mars with Jupiter in the phrase hostile alien invaders come from there and women end having to defend Earth as well.

Alt-history (aka Counter Factuals) is a common staple in my stories, but despite the quality of the background material, unless you have a character / characters that people can relate to early on you're not going to hook their interest.  Also, attention span (or the lack thereof) is another factor you have take into account.  Its been my observation that few have any interest in following a lengthy on-line story these days - five to seven chapters, at most, before you start to lose your audience.

One of my space colony ideas was about how pro-Aryan fascists try to create their own racially pure colony in secret. Theoretically, it's possible to create such an isolated colony in an age of rapid space migration. But I wanted this to be a new colony that depends on newcomers and constant planetary trade. Therefore, colony's leaders secretly use genetic engineering in the health check-ups to ensure the women produce their ideal ubermensch. Eventually, the women discover the truth when the births end up with a ratio of 1:5 from boys to girls. The offspring all have great potential to build more muscles and such. The fascists' plans uncovered, they try to begin anew, but the women fight back.

The second part is supposed to be how the women in this colony try to live on, especially when the other colonies scorn them.

I'm just speaking from the untalented readers pov, but I confess, I have always rather liked  the gradual shift from here and now, to a sexier not quite here and now - even in fantasy settings I find myself more likely to enjoy a shift from an expected set of stereotypes to an unexpected change.

I also definitely like future SF - I think it is, again, the ability to fantasize/extrapolate how things got from point A to point B.

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I had another futuristic space idea. This was first inspired when I saw Camille Bella in the remake of "When a Stranger Calls". It's a human colony on a far planet in the distant future. The civilization is much like what we have today in North America with the exception of some advanced gadgets. The planet has been terraformed to look like today's Earth so that helps keep things more relatable.

Anyway, this idea was conceived by using actresses as a visual model. "Camille" is an off-world migrant who's spent most of her life living in artificial satellite colonies. When the story begins it's the first time she's ever lived on the surface of a real planet. Unfortunately, it's hard for her to assimilate in that open environment. Her father is an engineer and always busy. Her mother died a few years ago and she misses her terribly.

As she tries to cope with her new environment she is also bewildered at how many women on the planet have strong figures or are very muscular. She befriends one of the local police detective, who looks like actress Eva LaRue. 'Eva' helps her get a babysitting gig for her older sister, who looks like Jennifer Esposito. The work keeps her out of trouble and through this she learns about why more women on that world train to be stronger and more fit, unlike those who live in the satellite colonies.

As the story progresses, 'Camille' finds herself inspired to train for her high school's track and field team. Living in the space colonies there wasn't much space to run around. Now she wants to challenge herself. This also inspires 'Eva' to compete in a private figure contest against one of her fellow officers, who looks like Victoria Pratt. This private contest soon involves Eva's' older sister, 'Jennifer', who used to compete professionally before she got married and bore children. Soon it involves other women connected to their work. (This all takes place in a town on the planet).

The department assistant pathologist gets involved (she looks like Jennifer Finnigan/Close to Home) after being challenged by an officer from the next town. (She looks like Paula Garces). Both used to be cheerleaders from their town's high schools. 'Jennifer', who plays the sister of 'Eva', decides she needs two other judges and ten contestants, much to her sister's dismay. 'Camille' accompanies the many women as they find more contestants to complete in it. But she finds this new experience threatened after her father tells her the family might have to move again next year. What will the young girl do as she finds herself drawn to her new world? 

Great potential in this thread so far.

I've only read a few mainstream alternate histories but they've toed the line to 'hard' science fiction enough to keep my interest. While not read directly the idea of an 'anti-matter America' as envisioned in S.M. Stirling's 'Draka' series shows how different things can be if a few key events and people were swapped around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draka

In the FMG/BE/Amazon angle the most realized contemporary setting has to have been the set of nightmare alternatives in Mark Newman's (Marknew's) Alt Universe. With computers and gadgets taking a backseat to the expanding capacities of the increasingly fortified female gender.

For near future forecasts I can't recommend Heck's 'Prototype' series enough. Really well thought out and fun example of super strength in a frighteningly plausible future. Just don't click on the freaking Epilogue since the web formatting has placed it first amongst the descending chapters at Diana's.

http://www.thevalkyrie.com/stories/heck/index.htm

Alan Moore's comic series "The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen" used the legends and assumptions of past fiction to make a compelling archaic world. This got me thinking what if Charlotte Perkins Gilman's fictional amazonian country of 'Herland' were to have remained, aside from the events in the book, undiscovered until later on in the 20th century. What of the Herlander's attempts to avoid the fires of WW2 or their possible ascendancy in the competition to gain atomic weaponry? Might those asexually reproducing females bolster their population into some sort of secret society slowly 'feminizing' the planet into a more 'peaceful' iteration?

While a sociological fable I can't seem to keep myself from thinking What Would Indiana Jones Do? Hell what would E.E.Smith do?  ;)

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/GilHerl.html

For a 'harder' look at what a future setting may bring to having plausible renditions of my innermost lust triggers Transhumanism seems the answer.

When does humanity stop being that from it's dependence on and bodily intregration of technology? Ray Kurzwiel provides some interesting looks at what may happen to society and mankind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Kurzweil

Cryogenics or some sort of substantial conversion of a person into recorded data that can be later regrown into a decent enough copy to still have early 21st century viewpoints allows there to be both the context and the contrast that makes fantastical femmes so potent in my imagination.

As far as my own plot ideas it's mostly the horrific meets the horny. There's an idea where someone gets grown from scratch assembled from the 'best' traits of a range of individuals using a plot device so contrived and weird it's basically magic. The plausibility from the situation's fall out would be it's only real saving grace. Seeing how some being could reconcile it's many donated memories and data into a cohesive independent individual is fascinating to me.

Also in the homage/rip-off category is a riff on John W. Campbell's novel "Who Goes There?" called "Who Grows There?". Growing out of clothing is twice as exciting when it's deadly to do so from either the vacuum of space or howling arctic death. Essentially an excuse for a lass to experience radical physical change that results in her becoming an indirect threat to the small antarctic research station's community. Her growth is fueled by calories and there's only so much in the larder. Things could reach a very frightening boiling point as days are checked off before she can either be airlifted the hell out of there or more food brought in. Shouldn't descend into cannibalism but the FEAR of that happening would set the tension nicely.

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That's all out of me for now. Thanks for the mental sustenance folks and big kudos to MuskelGrothe  for getting the ball rolling. 8)

Ah, yes, the Draka Trilogy - one of the best, if not THE best detailed alt-history in sci/fi.  8)

Service to the State, Glory to the Race!

Two others you might want to add to your list, Cowprobe, of stories involving female muscle/strong characters in alt-societies would be Friday by Robert Heinlein, and The Horseclans series by Robert Adams.  His books, however, are currently out of print BUT can be found on eBay - several sellers and on-line stores offer them in second-hand condition.

Las Vegas? I bet Bugsy Siegal would have turned over on that idea!  :D ;D Where can I find an English copy of that story?

Merci.

Here's an idea for an alternate history:

Louis Cyr (1863-1912), was and may be the strongest man who ever lived, and his recorded feats made him famous world wide.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Cyr

What is interesting is that his wife was no slouch either in the muscle department and his daughter,  Emiliana, seemed destined to follow in his footsetps and even participated in strength events with him during his tours in Canada and Britain.  Unfortunately, after Louis Cyr's death, she was committed to an asylum under suspicious cicumstances by her husband and died there.

What if history had changed, and allowed Emiliana the chance to popularise female bodybuilding decades before our history?

Could be interesting...


Just an idea.

There is a decent hentai fantasy series called the Fencer of Minerva, in which most women are hot, scantily clad slaves to some male (but in a nice mutually-consensual way).

I think there are some nice permutations possible here, like a powerfully muscled, sword wielding woman, who owns a female slave of her own. Someone so strong and tough she can make it in an overwhelmingly male dominated world.



 

I thought more about genre. I think it helps to establish what else is different from FBB realities from the real world. What does the setting have that's not in the real world, or what's not in FBB reality that's allowed this lifestyle to grow more?

Have you ever heard of Queen Zenobia? She was a 3rd century Queen of Palmyra who fought the Romans. Queen Mawai lived in the late 4th century and also fought the Romans.