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Hello All, I am new here, I was wondering if any of you could shed some light on banneds.org's apparent board dissaperence.

Thanks in advance.

(sorry, I didnt know it was banned)

Yeah, I banned those Turkish pirate scum because they were forever spamming Amaz0ns.  And then after I banned them they used spam-forwarding to get in the back door.  Finally I banned much of the country of Turkey from accessing Amaz0ns, and that seems to have done it.

In case anyone is wondering, we're talking about S-A-R-A-D-A-S (http://tinyurl.com/5qpfx5).

Spamming is immature nonsense, they should have been banned.

"Forum banned is now closed because of piracy & copyright infringement.  We are under investigation & urge our users to cooperate with authorities."

On the homepage

So, finnally somebody managed to shut down those thieves. I'm pleased, because as some other members of amaz0ns, i've been scoutiong that site and notifying the copyright infringment to the hostiong and file sharring sites.
I say it was about time.

Best news I've heard all day. Now THAT'S "karma" for you...

Thats funny.

YES!!!!!!!!! atlast!!! Someone managed to close them down finally... One destroyer of our community less...

 ::)  Now I shall continue my life with joy...

BlackModelling (the owner) was always a douchebag. The hilarious part is, this "investigation for copyright infringement" came about after he made his entire forum private and "VIP only" (VIP meaning "someone who 'donates' to the forum"). And he had a common practice of taking high-content threads made by "regular" users and moving them to the "VIP only" section, where the regular users who made the thread in the first place couldn't even see their own content.

Making the entire forum VIP only (and thus alienating 98% of the userbase) probably motivated more than a few users to report the forum to copyright holders. Hell, there were several actual Fitness and FBB personalities who held accounts there for whatever reason. Locking them out of a forum where BlackModelling was now charging people "donations" in order to see their content probably didn't make them very happy either.

"randy guillotte" said it best. "Karma" indeed.

That said, I don't know that I'd call the forum a "destroyer of our community". Yes, it undermined a lot of pay-sites with its openly shared content, and no, that wasn't okay. However, there were a LOT of users who contributed freely-available content from the Internet that wasn't from pay-sites. I actually learned about a lot of really really gorgeous fitness women and FBBers from that forum that I would have never heard of otherwise. So while the forum was something of a cesspool of not-so-anonymous file sharing and the like, there was a lot of quality, freely-available content that got shared as well.

AbyssPlanet, I agree with your post 100 percent. The VIP forums had literally 1/15th the activity that the regular fbb/fitness board did. I espcially think that the last paragraph of your post is prevelant.

Oop, looks like the forum is back up (http://www.banned.org/index.php). I even got a PM from the owner/Admin, saying:


I have absolutely no idea what that means.

Um, not to rain on anyone's parade or anything, but it looks to me like the page saying banned is under investigation is a fake.  Especially given that it's got a different URL and the last registered member's name is "PirateWages."  Shame.  I thought someone finally got the bastards.

Whoops, they just banned me from the forum for no reason.

Oh well, fuck 'em.

I guess the administration over there was getting off on some "kiss the ring" type thing.

Pretty much. I was always kinda vocal when the Admin would do something colossally retarded. Maybe that was part of my problem, but I really can't stand sycophants when things are clearly being handled improperly.

For example, at one point I decided that hey, I've been actually benefiting a lot from the forum (learning about new previously-unknown gorgeous women, as I mentioned earlier), so I might as well donate, and get VIP access while I'm at it. Especially since a lot of the really excellent threads were being moved to the VIP section abruptly and without warning anyway. You can either get VIP access by donating, or by collecting "karma" by posting quality posts and then the users "applaud" you, giving you a karma point. The number of karma needed to get into the VIP section sort of steadily climbed, and it was at about 500 when I donated. I had about 230 at the time.

So I donate, like, $15 or something via PayPal. I got double-charged, but I contacted PayPal and told them what was up and they refunded my money. Of course, the Admins at sarada$ had no idea why I got double-charged, but whatever. I got it fixed, so no biggie.
The way it was worded was, you donate to the servers, and you get VIP access. End of story. So I get VIP access, that's pretty cool, but the VIP section wasn't all that impressive because it was mostly just ported threads from the "free" section that I'd already seen several weeks or months prior.

About a month and a half go by, and then suddenly I don't have VIP access anymore. I'm all confused, so I PM the Admin and ask what's up. He informs me that if I want VIP access back, I should donate another $15. I (politely, kinda) tell him that that's sort of bullshit, that the instructions for VIP access don't say anything about donating more than once, and all of a sudden I find my account disabled. Post count reset, karma count reset.
I ask him what just happened, and he claims to have no idea what's going on, and that sometimes people "accidentally" disable their own accounts. I obviously didn't do this, and when  I ask for my account to get restored, my messages got ignored.

It would seem that the owners of the site are blocking some users from seeing some sections, just last night the sight looked fully operational. And tonight, it is just as it was when I started this thread.

In addition, the VIP sections occasionaly open from time to time, from what appears to be random erros/ good graces of the admins.

Abyss, clearly the admin's had a hand in what happened to you. Dont give another cent to them.

The fact is that sard. needs its "non-vip" users in order to operate, it also needs new members to contribute. I can personally gaurentee that not only will the site bounce back and forth to 100% and seemingly closed..... But no invesigation will ever happen here simply because there are much bigger fish to fry

Just to supportmy argument above, mainly, "that the admins are blocking off sections of the site to most/ some users".

If you look in the statistics section, you will see in the june 2008 daily numbers that over 50 threads were made today; and yet your normal user (which is the majority on that site), can only see topics posted in 3 boards. One of which you only see three threads and cant reply/ post any information...

Like I said above, the kiss the ring or donate or else your not viewing anything mentality will waver back and forth.  Some days you will see the section and others you clearly wont.

I was going to comment on some of the stories but now it looks like I will never be able too. I did not like the way they all of a sudden changed everything into VIP and that you had to pay to get into the free stuff too see it right under my nose >:( ???

The site is up again...

...and down again.

 ::)

That forum is acting just like Carnie Wilsons weight... >_<

They're criminals.  Don't expect much from them.

I'm seriously pissed off with them! Its a pretty lame site really, but due to the shear number of people on the site there ends up being some quite good content. In May like AbyssPlanet I thought hey, I might as well make a little donation ($15) keep the site running and I get to see whats in the VIP area too.

I signed on last night to find a PM saying that to access the VIP area I needed to make a donation again. I was confused by this and send them an email saying that was odd, and there must be a mistake as I had already contributed.

The next day I try and log on and poof my account is gone. So I sign up again and post a message asking what had happend, check and hr later and I get a banned message come up. Nice. So I try and sign up again, IP & email address blocked. No problem, I made another email address and used a web proxy and I was on again. Put a message up asking what was happening. 1 hr later that accounts banned. So now I have signed up 2 more accounts since then 1 banned, and I'm guessing the other one will be banned next time the admin comes on. But I think I mite just keep making more and more accounts untill the admin loses the will to live... I'm a stubborn bastard like that.

Any way, I'm pretty pissed off because it was a site I contributed (artwork and poser images) to and if you treat your contributers like that your going to end up with no web site.

Man I'm pissed off, and one else here been banned in the last week or so?

Well lets put it this way; if your not VIP/ donating 15 bucks on a regular basis, you might as well not go there anymore. Nearly all of the boards are restricted now (yes including the "fbb/fitness one", with only a handful of meaningless ones avaible.

Bottom line: banned has become a money greedy site and has thus alienated most of its members, even those who do contribute.

My guess is that this will change yet again in the future, but for now this is just the way it is.

Got banned a little while back, yeah. I figure the site is spiraling the drain at this point if that's how the admin is treating the users.

Maybe I should do this $15 thing.

 ;)

Do it Lingster! great way to make some splash cash. Treat your self to some thing nice. Then do a runner. :P

Ha!  I prefer to use the advertising method to finance the sites.

Yeah, could possibly be better for the long haul...

Guess what I received today in my mail box?


 ::)

Okay... euh, thanks?

Lol..I did too...

Someone on that frees@radas forum posted about receiving the same message, but he said that when he went to log in, he didn't actually have VIP access. Here's a quote of his post:


Classy.  8)

Indeed. Just a few more reasons to hate their collective guts.

I agree, this new system is a complete joke.  U have to be a vip to see everything now, including the "new-member introduction forum". LOL.

The site should be shut down for extorsion now on top of piracy.

Charging people to see illegaly posted content that there users provide?!?!

What a racket!

yes what a total and utter joke they are. They know that they are in trouble and I think that is why they have everything VIP in which I think is a total joke you can not even read the stories in which were free by the way you could look at them untill the cows came home BUT NOOO now they want your money anyways well they can keep their money and shove it up their greedy little asses

Isn't this the guy who would ban people for expressing differing opinions?

Good riddance, I say.

Why yes, yes it is.

You'd better not criticize him in any form, no matter how minor, or he'll ban you and then call you a "bitch" for getting banned (despite, you know, not being mature enough to actually respond intelligently to comments or criticisms).

LOL I have been banned but have not been called a bitch yet so what I was expressing my feelings about the site do I not have a right to express my feelings about stuff at all  :-[

I've just been banned as well, to bad all I have to do is call up my ISP and ask them to give me a static IP adress, which takes about 5 minutes over the phone by the way.

ah ok but I will not bother with them anymore they are a waist of time to me now

of course they are, as i said in my previous post, even the free/ legal content you have no acess to now. What's the point?

Before i was banned, i looked at stats on their forums.  Since they went to the "all vip" system, there page views have been cut by 65% and there new topics and posts are down my almost 45%.

I'll never understand the 'Forum Sawadas' fixation on other message boards.  Why do they care what people say about them on other forums?  Seems like if you're going to promote yourself as a pirate, you're not really entitled to get upset when people call you that.

looks like that other Banned.org site (Free Banned@Create Forum) is down as well! That's what happens when you transport moderators from one Banned.org to the Free one!

Maybe unrelated, but it seems that my Sawadas account got *gasp* deleted! Oh my goodness, what am I gonna do with all my free time? Ain't life so harsh sometimes? :'(

[/sarcasm]

At least I don't have to bother asking them to delete my account now. But yah Lingster, I don't get it either. It's not like they're even trying to get a good reputation.

Okay, first off, I honestly don't have a dog in this fight at all.  I've never darkened the door or towels of said site or its forum.  Never even gotten an invite.  And from all trusted accounts here, I don't want one.  (I'm a Site Superhero in a quite good forum already, thankyavermuch.  ;) )

That said...


Like we're doing?   :P

No disrespect of course, Lingster, really. 

But aside from warning uninitiated netizens who might be considering joining Schmaradas or whatever, or the works that are pirated but can't be seen anyway without a subscription, I'm thinking we should simply let the ship sink quietly.  What's up with the deathwatch?  They haven't left any of their ill gotten gains to US in the will, AFAIK.  :P

I'm enjoying the running commentary on their dwindling viewership and stories from "refugees" who are posting here with stories of the bullshit they had to endure from that place. Maybe it's schadenfreude, I guess? Or maybe it's just entertaining to watch BlackModelling get his comeuppance.

Well even if they shut down that forum, that won't be a solution.

There will be ALWAYS pirate forums, and there will be always people who attack and defend them...

They will disappear only if everything will be free and open to all. But that world will never come...

And I'm sure that there are forum members who write comments about how much they hate sa*adas, while they're members there...

This whole topic is poinless... IMHO

Oh I was a member there, I'll freely admit that. I didn't hate the place either, for reasons I gave earlier in the thread -- that place introduced me to a lot of gorgeous women I'd have never heard of otherwise, and that stuff wasn't even pirated material - it was freely available on the web, but I'd never seen it and someone else did the leg-work and brought it to people's attention.

I just hate BlackModelling. He's a colossal douchebag and the place deserves to get shut down simply because he's the one running it.

Pfft.
No.

What offends me isn't even the pirating. I don't really care.
What offends me is that he makes you PAY for pirated material *thus erasing any gray area and making a beeline for 'illegal'* and has the nerve to insist he has a RIGHT to do so.

There are MANY controversial things you have a right to do.
Selling people shit that isn't yours? Not one of 'em.

I agree with the last comment. Piracy is unstoppable, but selling the stuff?

That's something that I can't get over with...

And I admit, that I was a member there too. But how things are going there... Man, that was enough...

There are tons of people who pirate material to resell.  And it's been going on for years - it first happened to me about 10 years ago, when some purveyor I won't mention by name was selling CDs with stories on 'em, including my stories.  There was a guy down in Argentina who used to burn all the pay site videos to DVD and sell 'em - I think he's stopped.  There's a lot of trashy stuff going on out there.

Equally as funny as the "pay me for pirated stuff" is the fact that they say you can become a member by collecting "X" amount of karma points instead of donating 15 bucks, but cant't view/access any of the forums to do exactly that!.

It proves that their out for only money and could care less about the fbb community as a whole.

Probably the wrong place to introduce myslef, so
I'll make it quick. I've been around in various guises... actually no, just names since the Big Mouthera and I'm back this time to just talk, I'm a good boy I am, I promise.
I've just read this thread through and can't help but think of the hypocrisy (and I include myself) that is breeding here. Personally I had joined said forum in the recent past and was banned in what seemed like hours for posting support in a thread that objected to how it operates. I'm probably wrong, but it might have been Rick who started the thread. So no big loss, I really didn't like the site.
But who here hasn't watched a video on say, Dailymotion, that the poster didn't have rights to? I'm guessing none of us.
I understand that this is, in an odd manner...well... political, and also affects those who spend the time, effort and money. Which in turn short changes those who are genuine consumers of a prefectly legitimate product.
So why aren't we infuriated to the point of vocal opinion over every other kind of piracy? Or are you?
Did I go too far?

The funny thing is that all relevant boards on sawadas are VIP now.

And you must have XXX karma points to access them. But how? You cannot post anything on those boards, they are closed for you. So you have to pay for them. 

It was stupid and greedy. Because if I'm willing to pay, I'll do it for the video and image owners, because when you are buying something, you are doing an investment for them to make more. And being honest, is not that expensive and you have real service.

Now, paying for links of rapidshare? It just does the opposite for the models and companies who bring them. Bad karma for you.

Donation must a willingly act, if not, is charging.

I oppose it mostly for a practical reason: too much piracy stifles new content production.  Sawadas has made too much of a spectacle of itself - too much attention is focused on it and its owner.  My prediction is Sawadas will be gone soon.

Because Daily Motion doesn't make me pay to use it, and hide it under "donations".

On top of that, I cannot COUNT the number of times I've sought out a show or album because I heard the music or saw the episode on Youtube/Dailymotion.

THAT is the big sticking point with people like me.  I was a former member of the forum in question, and contributed (for FREE) several of my drawings... which were then taken (WITHOUT compensation) and put behind the "donations" firewall.


Same with me.  I became a fan of Tohru Nishimaki's hentai manga Blue Eyes from downloading the pages from a Usenet group.  I'm now buying the actual volumes from J-List (even though I can't read Japanese) because I want to support his career.

That's all good. But what about us? I mean NonAmericans. We CAN'T order things, because almost all good femuscle material exist only whithin the states. Even if I had the money, bank account or whatever to sign up for a page, I couldn't make benefits of it.

I am finished with s*radas because of the assh*les there, but I don't say that I didn't download from there.

I am sorry if this upset some people, but this is the case. IMHO

One way to remedy that is to take matters into your own hands. Learn to draw, and then use those skills to make fem muscle art in your home country. It can be hard work, but it's doable.

living in Brazil, I know what you are talking. Is very expensive to buy things at amazon, high fees, high taxes, comics and dvds are hard to get because most of them amazon cannot ship outside US. but most of new content that we need is online now. Easier like it is for most americans. My only issues are with CCbill, they just don't like my bank.

Of course that I fall in some site like Luscious, and finally I'm able to find not only hentais, but american erotica that I would never dream to read here. So I download. But paying for anyone to get me those links is like supporting traffic. Plant your own.   

You're not alone, both the original moderators "Dr.Orpheus" and "Bhen13" were locked out of their own accounts some time ago for disagreeing with the constant changes and then requiring donations to see anything. "BlackModelling" or if you want to call him "banned.org" gave their accounts to two of his lackeys to make it look like nothing happened. In fact he's done that with several of the more visible members over there, his fragile ego can't accept any form of criticism.

The whole "donations for server costs" is a total scam. I wasn't going to restart the thread but since there's some activity here's a link to an old fundable account from last year
http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2007-09-18.6716287623

notice the guy got $1500 in less then two weeks. That's why everything is locked down he knows people will keep sending him money no matter what he does.

Well I can't edit my original post but I forgot to add that right after that $1500 he switched to using fake charity names and $250 accounts on fundable so that no one could track how much money he was taking in when he posted about the always popular "server fees" on the forum.

$1480.00. Crime pays well. Now if the talent got that much money, I imagine we'd have a little more pro level art out there. Apparently the only people who can profit are the distributors of content... (Yar! I use that term very loosely   :D ) The producers are s.o.l. common sense tells us that the producers should abandon fem muscle as unprofitable, and seek out greener pastures elsewhere. (unless they are in it as a hobby and don't mind having their free work profit these guys.)

And that kind of money goes a long way in Belgrade.

I am curious as to what the various pay sites might do, if anything. Tighten security maybe. Embed advertising, though what they might advertise I have no idea. They might just sit back and take the losses theorizing that as long as the pirates are charging a lot of money for their ill gotten content, their own profit bleeding might be tolerable. Maybe allow some of their own material to leek out with embedded advertising for their own pay sites, and beefed up security in the areas they plan on making money with.

Or maybe they could hire mercenaries and take care this problem in a "Different Way"  ;D

That last part is a joke by the way.  ;)

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5475/29xx8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)  :P

He must be getting more then a little spam if he took the time to e-mail you.

It appears the "Modify" option disappears a couple minutes after you post, kinda odd.

Anyway I had someone forward me an e-mail, turns out that even after you donate to the site you can't see all the sections as it does not buy you the "VIP status" it states. Specifically you can't see the movie and adult sections. The requirement to see those is currently 150 posts and 495 karma points, though it seems to continuously go up. So if anyone reading this thread is considering joining over there for the pirated movie content, keep that in mind before you flush money down the drain.....just send it to Lingster instead, it'll go to better use  ;)...and you get an autographed picture of AlexG in a grass skirt  :o

Oh lawd, Alex in a grass skirt lol.