Don't know how I feel about this news. It has all kinds of potential and all kinds of crazy disaster. But might it make a SH Movie closer to reality? Or would Disney's "family friendly" reputation bode ill for a female character who rips out of her clothes? ... Yeah, yeah I know the Hulk does this and nobody has a problem. But in America if it moves and its female then it's about the sex.

Any thoughts?

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You know you could have said the same thing about The Hulk... He's Gray... He's Green... He's Smart... He's Dumb... He knows he's Banner.... He doesn't. There were may different "Hulks" over the years but Peter David came up with a brilliant solution: He's all of the above. I'm not saying that Multiple Personality Disorder would explain Jen's inconsistencies, but good writers have and good writers will pull together a character from different interpretations. Lazy writers say 'What The Hell' to previous interpretations and push for a 'Mary Sue' take on the Character to make them behave the way they want as opposed to whether or not any of it makes sense from their histories.

Lyra and Red Shulk may be 'clean' of Jennifer's history but are they really more interesting? Lyra is Green Thundra Lite... (Who's a Wonder Woman knock off) Red Shulk looks to be a return to the "Bad Grrl" days of the nineties with Big Boobs, Big Guns. Marvel isn't stupid: put A list artists like Ed McGuinness or Frank Cho it sells. But without that support would either character survive as stand alone concepts? As for the "fractious fanbase" I think that was always an inherent problem for the solo titles... and would still be the case with Lyra and Shrulkie. She Hulk/Jen has always been a good support character and team player and would work better in that environment... alas not in the "Dark" Universe of Joe The Q.

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The "Third Rate Wonder Woman" comment was directed at Thundra because that's what she is. The Lyra mini series wasn't bad by itself but there was  a "been there done that" feel to it. As for bias... 'course I've got bias. We all do. That's what makes forums fun. 

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Well this thread has gone along its merry way while I was out....

To begin with I don't know if Jen/Shulkie is dead. Probably not, but Loeb does kill arbitrarily. (See Ultimatum) And I think he's riding the Red Hulk one trick pony for all its worth. But I'll be honest... a buff badass red She Hulk I'll go for instead of a Second Rate She Hulk cloned from a Third Rate Wonder Woman. Of course you'll notice because she's a "Bad Grrl" (Tm) that she gets the muscles?

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At $4.99 Hulk #600 was too pricey to pick up this week. But I did skim through it....

SPOILERS

Jen contacts reporter Ben Ulrich who works for the Frontline newspaper. It's done like "All The Presidents Men" with Jen hiding in the shadows of an underground parking garage. She wants Ulrich to infiltrate AIM which has captured Rick Jones (now the Hulk like A-Bomb) and are conducting experiments. Red Hulk is there too and above all Jen wants to find out who Rulk is. Along for the ride is Doc Samson (W/short hair) and Peter Parker who is brought along as photographer.

Still awake? Sooooooo........

Everything turns into a Big Fight(tm) With Doc Samson suddenly turning into a bigger meaner "Bad Doc" Samson as he and Jen pummel each other senseless. Meanwhile Red Hulk and Green (Real) Hulk have it out while MODOK looks on like the useless tool he is. Red Hulk drains Hulk of all his gamma energy declaring that Bruce Banner can never be the Hulk again. All the fighting has set off a chain reaction that will blow everything to bits. A-Bomb grabs Banner while Spidey grabs Ulrich and they escape. Meanwhile Red Hulk stands over the senseless bodies of Jen and Samson saying "You two aren't going anywhere"......


BOOOOOOOM!

Later, Ulrich is approached by Rulk in the same underground garage and is warned off the story. Ulrich complies. No word on Jen.

Future solicitations have "She Hulk" back up in the issues of Hulk .... but with Lyra(sp?) taking center stage. The story is entitled "In Search of She Hulk".

Normally this wouldn't worry me... "If there's no body there's no death" Death by 'splosions are never permanent. Heck death isn't permanent in comics. No one could have been deader than Steve Rogers... they even showed his rotting corpse ... but he's coming back. There's also a trend during "Dark Reign" to replace some longstanding heroes like Ms. Marvel, Dr.Strange, even Wolverine. What worries me is that Jeph Loeb is writing this. The man has become an infuriating hack in recent years, and his recent work on Ultimatum suggests  that he isn't squeamish about giving characters irrelevant deaths. She Hulk is also on the B-List which often means "redshirting" a character for "shock" value. Marvel really seems to want to push Thulkie these days. If I drop Hulk, it'll be the last Marvel title I'm currently buying.

I hope I'm wrong, just sayin' you might want to get those petitions ready.....

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She's not dead Fonz, but DC is definitely fucking with her. It's just when a character "drops" down the list even when they've proven themselves in the past (Pantha anyone?) They become Redshirts later on.

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Those of you of a certain age remember "Lurch" from the Addams family TV shows and movies. The hulking lug with growly voice. I now use that term to describe any muscular or hulky looking woman who hangs in the background of bad guys or female lugs who get punched out by the hero. Unfortunately this is what's happened to Rampage, who in Superman #686 is portrayed as a Frankenstein D-Lister (Not even on the C-List anymore?) who grunts growls and quickly get p'wned by Mon-El. Not sure when it was decided she'd go all villian, but her "Lurch" status may be a few steps from being killed off in yet another "crisis" in a few years. There's a new female Blockbuster in issue #689 shown in a one page beat down, but Blockbuster was always a third rate hulk so the sex change isn't much more interesting. Unfortunately, I haven't replaced my scanner, so if anyone cares, you could post images here. Too bad about Rampage though. They could have made her a B-List support character like She Hulk.

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Now that's weird.... they seem to mixing Mongul with Darkseid.... those are two members of Darkseid's female furies lurking in the background. And oh yeah... using a GUY to do MonGal's voice, because using a woman's voice tricked up by computer is way too classy. 

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