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« Reply #8 on: Feb 11, 2007, 11:57 PM »

I'm just speaking from the untalented readers pov, but I confess, I have always rather liked  the gradual shift from here and now, to a sexier not quite here and now - even in fantasy settings I find myself more likely to enjoy a shift from an expected set of stereotypes to an unexpected change.

I also definitely like future SF - I think it is, again, the ability to fantasize/extrapolate how things got from point A to point B.

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« Reply #9 on: Dec 18, 2007, 03:34 AM »

I had another futuristic space idea. This was first inspired when I saw Camille Bella in the remake of "When a Stranger Calls". It's a human colony on a far planet in the distant future. The civilization is much like what we have today in North America with the exception of some advanced gadgets. The planet has been terraformed to look like today's Earth so that helps keep things more relatable.

Anyway, this idea was conceived by using actresses as a visual model. "Camille" is an off-world migrant who's spent most of her life living in artificial satellite colonies. When the story begins it's the first time she's ever lived on the surface of a real planet. Unfortunately, it's hard for her to assimilate in that open environment. Her father is an engineer and always busy. Her mother died a few years ago and she misses her terribly.

As she tries to cope with her new environment she is also bewildered at how many women on the planet have strong figures or are very muscular. She befriends one of the local police detective, who looks like actress Eva LaRue. 'Eva' helps her get a babysitting gig for her older sister, who looks like Jennifer Esposito. The work keeps her out of trouble and through this she learns about why more women on that world train to be stronger and more fit, unlike those who live in the satellite colonies.

As the story progresses, 'Camille' finds herself inspired to train for her high school's track and field team. Living in the space colonies there wasn't much space to run around. Now she wants to challenge herself. This also inspires 'Eva' to compete in a private figure contest against one of her fellow officers, who looks like Victoria Pratt. This private contest soon involves Eva's' older sister, 'Jennifer', who used to compete professionally before she got married and bore children. Soon it involves other women connected to their work. (This all takes place in a town on the planet).

The department assistant pathologist gets involved (she looks like Jennifer Finnigan/Close to Home) after being challenged by an officer from the next town. (She looks like Paula Garces). Both used to be cheerleaders from their town's high schools. 'Jennifer', who plays the sister of 'Eva', decides she needs two other judges and ten contestants, much to her sister's dismay. 'Camille' accompanies the many women as they find more contestants to complete in it. But she finds this new experience threatened after her father tells her the family might have to move again next year. What will the young girl do as she finds herself drawn to her new world? 
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 18, 2007, 04:26 PM »

Great potential in this thread so far.

I've only read a few mainstream alternate histories but they've toed the line to 'hard' science fiction enough to keep my interest. While not read directly the idea of an 'anti-matter America' as envisioned in S.M. Stirling's 'Draka' series shows how different things can be if a few key events and people were swapped around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draka

In the FMG/BE/Amazon angle the most realized contemporary setting has to have been the set of nightmare alternatives in Mark Newman's (Marknew's) Alt Universe. With computers and gadgets taking a backseat to the expanding capacities of the increasingly fortified female gender.

For near future forecasts I can't recommend Heck's 'Prototype' series enough. Really well thought out and fun example of super strength in a frighteningly plausible future. Just don't click on the freaking Epilogue since the web formatting has placed it first amongst the descending chapters at Diana's.

http://www.thevalkyrie.com/stories/heck/index.htm

Alan Moore's comic series "The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen" used the legends and assumptions of past fiction to make a compelling archaic world. This got me thinking what if Charlotte Perkins Gilman's fictional amazonian country of 'Herland' were to have remained, aside from the events in the book, undiscovered until later on in the 20th century. What of the Herlander's attempts to avoid the fires of WW2 or their possible ascendancy in the competition to gain atomic weaponry? Might those asexually reproducing females bolster their population into some sort of secret society slowly 'feminizing' the planet into a more 'peaceful' iteration?

While a sociological fable I can't seem to keep myself from thinking What Would Indiana Jones Do? Hell what would E.E.Smith do?  Wink

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/GilHerl.html

For a 'harder' look at what a future setting may bring to having plausible renditions of my innermost lust triggers Transhumanism seems the answer.

When does humanity stop being that from it's dependence on and bodily intregration of technology? Ray Kurzwiel provides some interesting looks at what may happen to society and mankind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Kurzweil

Cryogenics or some sort of substantial conversion of a person into recorded data that can be later regrown into a decent enough copy to still have early 21st century viewpoints allows there to be both the context and the contrast that makes fantastical femmes so potent in my imagination.

As far as my own plot ideas it's mostly the horrific meets the horny. There's an idea where someone gets grown from scratch assembled from the 'best' traits of a range of individuals using a plot device so contrived and weird it's basically magic. The plausibility from the situation's fall out would be it's only real saving grace. Seeing how some being could reconcile it's many donated memories and data into a cohesive independent individual is fascinating to me.

Also in the homage/rip-off category is a riff on John W. Campbell's novel "Who Goes There?" called "Who Grows There?". Growing out of clothing is twice as exciting when it's deadly to do so from either the vacuum of space or howling arctic death. Essentially an excuse for a lass to experience radical physical change that results in her becoming an indirect threat to the small antarctic research station's community. Her growth is fueled by calories and there's only so much in the larder. Things could reach a very frightening boiling point as days are checked off before she can either be airlifted the hell out of there or more food brought in. Shouldn't descend into cannibalism but the FEAR of that happening would set the tension nicely.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Highrise/3756/jc/who/bonusid.htm

That's all out of me for now. Thanks for the mental sustenance folks and big kudos to MuskelGrothe  for getting the ball rolling. Cool
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 20, 2007, 07:04 AM »

Ah, yes, the Draka Trilogy - one of the best, if not THE best detailed alt-history in sci/fi.  Cool

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Two others you might want to add to your list, Cowprobe, of stories involving female muscle/strong characters in alt-societies would be Friday by Robert Heinlein, and The Horseclans series by Robert Adams.  His books, however, are currently out of print BUT can be found on eBay - several sellers and on-line stores offer them in second-hand condition.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 20, 2007, 01:10 PM »

This is a very interesting thread you decided on, MuskelGrothe. 

Interesting because of two factors… one is that I too have mostly focused on unique “societies” of an all female civilization in my writings… and two is that within these story parameters, an author is free to explore many more themes and undertones in his/her story lines.

What helps me in creating these “worlds” is that you don’t have the normal views of outsiders poisoning the reader’s thoughts with distorted views of huge powerful women.  In most of my stories, a large towering woman is often the idolized protagonist… a symbol of what power and strength can be.  One of my favorite lines from one of my stories was when a curvy rubenesque woman tells her muscular lover “Throngs of women will envy you, and want to be you.” 

I’ve used a few story threads, my latest one being set in the Middle East around 1000 BC where a young beautiful Queen marries a muscular female warrior.  Another story I have is an all-female society living in a compound outside of Las Vegas in the present day.  A wealthy woman bought up thousands of worthless acres of desert to construct a new society for women who wanted to become as powerful as nature intended.  There, women we empowered to be themselves; pursuing their fantasies and worship power and elegance.

Nice thread, darling…  I hope it continues.  Wink

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« Reply #13 on: Dec 24, 2007, 01:58 AM »

Las Vegas? I bet Bugsy Siegal would have turned over on that idea!  Cheesy Grin Where can I find an English copy of that story?
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 10, 2008, 11:30 AM »

You can find the English version of that story, A Primitive Hope, here darling.

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« Reply #15 on: Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 AM »

Merci.
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