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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2007, 05:05 PM »

A lot of people don't like characters that don't fit their standards of beauty.  A character that they find "ugly" will rarely be worth a second glance to them.  I can't necessarily say that any of us - myself included - would necessarily be any different, as we, too, have standards of beauty.  Just different ones from the norm.   To make a point; would you like Tetsuko LESS if she were, say, fat?  Or if she had a lot of moles on her face or something?  Now before you answer that, remember, she's a CHARACTER.  And how you judge a character is different from how you judge a real person (I should hope; lest your perception of the line between fantasy and reality be TOTALLY messed up).  Face it, if Tetsuko were less pretty, you might not read her comic.  Or at least like it less.  Now if Tetsuko were a real, living human being, you'd (hopefully) judge her by her personality the same regardless of her appearance.

In the end, SinD, you need to ask yourself: who's your target audience?  What are you trying to convey in your picture; what message are you trying to send or what emotion are you trying to get from the viewer?  This will make it easier for you to figure out if you're listening to the critics you want to hear, or people who are biased.
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2007, 07:16 PM »

Trust me if it's DA.. that place can be hell and suffocate an artist more than encourage them. That is, if you take it seriously.
I got battered by that site when they put something of mine in the 'popular' section of the front page (and it wasn't just muscle, either, it was preg too).
But I didn't take it seriously- I just made fun of myself. Posted my art on Devart_Horrors (which doesn't exist anymore) for all the 'haters' to see and laughed at myself. I know my art is silly and unrealistic and I know some people find it scary or disturbing or don't like it.

But the moral! It's yours and yours alone, your art, so those people can say all that they like- but in the end, who cares? What you do isn't up to them. Where you post it, again, isn't up to them.
Just take it lighthearted, and it's a LOT easier to bounce back.
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« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2007, 09:34 PM »

I cannot thank you all enough for your input and personal stories.If only I could turn back time. Mistakes are part of this journey though and I guess some lessons are best learned the hard way. I still wish I would have read a thread like this first though. This experience has made me do some serious soul searching and thinking about art and my feelings.I even talked with my husbands lifelong friend who has been a bodybuilder since his youth. I am by nature a sensitive person and I really believe that you need to be secure in what brings you joy or you will be constantly hurt. I simply have to ignore the negative influences who want to label or degrade me and satisfy myself. They will never understand and really do not need to.Thank you all for your help.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2007, 10:20 PM »

Welcome to the club SinD. All the artists that ever made anything had encountered agressive criticism. Rational people accept the fact that the universe is complex and wide and embraces points of view diferent from their own to enrich themselves. Irational people cant tolerate diferent models than their own because they percieve them as threats to their current state of mind. They are so insecure that they think (conciously or not) than any idea diferent than their own could break the delicate balance that currently works for them.
Lots of this idea-haters are simply teenagers. At that age they feel as insecure as they can. Go to college and take a look at the relationships there. Agressiveness there is often an effort to have their models "approved" by society. If they develop right the teenagers insecure feelings would be replaced by one "I approve myself" idea, If not the adult would continue to battle his own teen-demons until they win the fight (If ever).
What can you do as an artist? Make sure you're in the appropiate company before speaking up. Noone in their right mind would scream a goal in the stadium when surrounded by opponents. Take a look at your surroundings and study the people around you. Make sure they are healty peaceful and MATURE people. Society still fails in making mind-healty people and we all have to battle our inner demons with the help of family, friends, therapists and ourselves.
Peace and good luck.

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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2007, 10:43 PM »

I've followed female bodybuilding for over 20 years. In that time I've found people who are either enthusiastic, apathetic or hostile. The last two groups have far out numbered the first but they are slowly loosing ground to the first. IN all that time I've reacted to the last groups by trying to ask them why. I have converted a few haters to apathy and I hope a few of either group to enthusiastic. When I have been confronted by the rude I just ignore them. When I post Awefilms videos on YouTube and get a vile post I delete it and go back to what I like.
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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2007, 03:22 AM »

Or at times, even within your particular community - such lesser beings are known as Trolls and/or Haters.

I have to agree there. Trolls and haters are often times just as, if not more, discouraging to fresh and new artists, writers and content providers who should be nurtured and encouraged. I remember on the old Wreck-Shop forums, a particular individual who attacked fresh artists wanting to show their stuff. He had believed that only a few specific artists should be the ones to provide artwork and religiously flamed every other artist who posted their work on the forum. Another place I've seen this is in the Process forums. There are people on that forum who believe that simply because they have a high post count, that gives them the power to berate and degrade other posters who they felt were either providing 'inferior' content or that they had made the mistake of accidentally posting something that had been posted before. Amaz0ns is one of that last few places where a person is safe to post content and feel welcomed about it at the same time.
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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2007, 05:58 AM »

I remember on the old Wreck-Shop forums, a particular individual who attacked fresh artists wanting to show their stuff. He had believed that only a few specific artists should be the ones to provide artwork and religiously flamed every other artist who posted their work on the forum.

I think that individual is still here. (Cue "Jaws" music).

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2007, 07:30 AM »

SinD, while I have not encountered anything personally like what you have, I have seen it many times.  (I see it all the time on FM videos on youtube.)  I would just say I applaud your attempt to branch out to other forums, and I hope the negativity only makes you stronger.  Even if the small minded individuals or even groups never catch on, there will always be an audience here for your fine work.
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