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« on: Jul 12, 2007, 05:24 PM »
Don't know where to post this, but I thought here was as good a place as anywhere.  Part of my attraction to muscular women comes from my belief in certain areas of feminist theory; mainly the idea that women should not be scared of mugging, rape etc.  This lead to a love of the concept of a physically strong, confident woman who could defend herself and leave her attacker in a much worse condition than she is.  This, in turn, led to a feeling of sexual attraction to such a woman.  I'd be interested to know if anybody else has experienced the same feelings, or can at least understand what I mean. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 12, 2007, 05:59 PM »
Can I get an "AMEN," brother?

I teach karate and self-defense, and one of the things I love best about it is when a woman who was formerly very timid starts to understand that she never has to be completely helpless.  Those FMG/Strength stories you mention are just amped up versions of what I do in reality, and I love it.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 13, 2007, 04:25 AM »
Quote from: stmercy2020 on Jul 12, 2007, 05:59 PM
Can I get an "AMEN," brother?

I teach karate and self-defense, and one of the things I love best about it is when a woman who was formerly very timid starts to understand that she never has to be completely helpless.  Those FMG/Strength stories you mention are just amped up versions of what I do in reality, and I love it.

Imagine what you could acheive training a woman who was already properly buff! Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 13, 2007, 05:09 AM »
Oh, I do, believe you me!  I've had a couple of students who were moderately athletic- cheerleaders or hockey players, mostly- and it's really a lot of fun to work with them because they already have some body awareness, so it's really just showing them how to use what they've already got.  How to take and maintain space, how to assert their presence, and how to use their bodies to their best advantage instead of trying to match their weakest parts against an attacker's strongest.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 13, 2007, 07:23 AM »
The point is that not all men are as strong as each other, yet we don't hear shorter, less muscular guys being told to not venture out after dark, carry a torch (flashlight), etc.  Of course not: they're men, so their testosterone makes them invulnerable, doesn't it?  It's only poor little itty-bitty women that are vulnerable! <End sarcasm>

I'd love to hear the "women are weak and can't defend themselves so they must spend their lives terrified" crowd explain this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eZZWzJCLYA

Go Nikki!  What a woman!  The guy who says she can beat-up 90% of the men in the world is wrong; it's more like 98%!
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 13, 2007, 07:36 AM »
Heh.  How very true.  I work with a bodybuilder at one of the dojos I train at.  One of the things that surprised the hell out of me the first time we played was not how strong he was, but rather how limber.  He has like three times the arms I have, but it's all fast-twitch muscle and he can move with blinding speed when he sets his mind to it.

The thing is, men are socialized to fight and to think and act aggressively.  Women have to be brought to that way of thinking through training, overcoming generations of social programming in the process.  For most women, it's a struggle.  I actually had a woman tell me once that she didn't want to kiai (yell) during a self-defense because, "I don't want to be mean."  That's the sort of thinking that society has told women is right, and it goes hand-in-hand with the idea that women should be submissive, passive, and weak.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, here, but I hate that crap.

And, yes, go Nikki!
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 13, 2007, 07:48 AM »
Quote from: stmercy2020 on Jul 13, 2007, 07:36 AM

The thing is, men are socialized to fight and to think and act aggressively.  Women have to be brought to that way of thinking through training, overcoming generations of social programming in the process.  For most women, it's a struggle.  I actually had a woman tell me once that she didn't want to kiai (yell) during a self-defense because, "I don't want to be mean."  That's the sort of thinking that society has told women is right, and it goes hand-in-hand with the idea that women should be submissive, passive, and weak.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, here, but I hate that crap.

And, yes, go Nikki!

This member of the choir likes be preached-to.  I couldn't agree more with you.  Those who would have all women weak and passive say that, if women become strong and assertive, they lose their femininity.  As far as I'm concerned, other than (possibly) a stone-butch woman in a lesbian butch-femme relationship, or if an FBB overdoes the steroids, it's impossible for any woman to lose even some of her femininity.  To me, assertive, strong, confident "body-aware" women, as you put it, are MORE feminine than the timid, skinny, passive girls because they have enhanced themselves both physically in strength and shapeliness, and in mind.  They have imporoved themselves as women and have ceased to hate their body, to diet in order to shrink it, (which I loathe, urgh! Angry) but instead are revelling in their female, muscular curves and the strength, power and sensuality of the bodies.  That's feminine.  That's sexy.  Actually, no, it's not sexy - it's mind-blowingly, trouser-tentingly supersexy. Shocked Cool Grin
Yikes, I need a cold shower after that! Shocked Grin
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 16, 2007, 11:02 AM »
Hmmm, don't know what you think, stmercy, but I reckon it seems that we're the only guys on here who appreciate that side of things - you know, the idea that it's cool for a woman to be powerful and independent (know what i mean? Grin Wink)  Looks like all the other folks here just go for the "whoa, she's hot" reaction and don't think any deeper than that. Grin Wink Roll Eyes 
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 -- Krista Scott-Dixon, aka Mistress Krista.
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