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Author Topic: Femuscle stories -- 'story' versus 'extended scene'.  (Read 2771 times)
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 27, 2007, 08:57 PM »

For me, a story needs to be a "story", it has to make me want to read more or learn more about the character. I like a progression and purpose to it, if it's part of something larger (a series, world, an epic) all the better.

The biggest nit I have to pick is the types of characters some writers populate their stories with. I have to actually like or find something redeeming in a character to enjoy a story. So many female muscle stories contain nothing but a whole cast that should just be lined up in front of a wall and shot. The guy will be a total sleeze trying to take advantage of the woman in some way. The woman will be complete psychotic who loves to torture men or she'll literally get off on killing people. Or worse.

The best example of this was a story that was posted to the femuscle story Usenet group. It concerned a total jerk of a guy who comes up with a muscle growth formula that needed lillies and protein to work. His girlfriend steals it from him and proceeds to hold him captive and torture him forever. She also gives it to her younger sister and she participates. Everyone in the story was so morally bankrupt, that I can't describe how lousy I felt. I needed a mental bath to wash it out of my head.  Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 27, 2007, 09:25 PM »

For me, a story needs to be a "story", it has to make me want to read more or learn more about the character. I like a progression and purpose to it, if it's part of something larger (a series, world, an epic) all the better.

The biggest nit I have to pick is the types of characters some writers populate their stories with. I have to actually like or find something redeeming in a character to enjoy a story. So many female muscle stories contain nothing but a whole cast that should just be lined up in front of a wall and shot. The guy will be a total sleeze trying to take advantage of the woman in some way. The woman will be complete psychotic who loves to torture men or she'll literally get off on killing people. Or worse.

The best example of this was a story that was posted to the femuscle story Usenet group. It concerned a total jerk of a guy who comes up with a muscle growth formula that needed lillies and protein to work. His girlfriend steals it from him and proceeds to hold him captive and torture him forever. She also gives it to her younger sister and she participates. Everyone in the story was so morally bankrupt, that I can't describe how lousy I felt. I needed a mental bath to wash it out of my head.  Tongue

Yep, that's usually the biggest irritant I find in others' work (aside from one thing* I'll address in a moment) -- the reason most internet readers won't read more than 2 to 3 pages of any given writer's characters is that, sorry guys, most internet writers' characters are cardboard cutouts.

Every "good guy" has to have one very bad thing, or several moderately bad things -- that get fixed by the end of the story. Every "bad guy" has to have at least one mildly redeeming quality, be it a witty sense of humor, a weaker character he protects loyally, or whatever. At the very least, give the bad guy a reason to think he's the good guy. Make your readers make friends with your characters, put their new friends into some interesting circumstances, and the readers will stay to see how their new friends make out.

*The one thing, the single biggest problem with internet writers, is that most of them are simply inept when it comes to the basics: spelling, punctuation and grammar. Yes, I am a spelling and grammar nazi. I make no bones about it and no apologies. Every writer who takes his or her work seriously is one -- period. If you've got even one single excuse for not presenting yourself and your work with professionalism, why bother presenting it at all?
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 28, 2007, 12:53 AM »

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The biggest nit I have to pick is the types of characters some writers populate their stories with. I have to actually like or find something redeeming in a character to enjoy a story. So many female muscle stories contain nothing but a whole cast that should just be lined up in front of a wall and shot. The guy will be a total sleeze trying to take advantage of the woman in some way. The woman will be complete psychotic who loves to torture men or she'll literally get off on killing people. Or worse.

This is always a touchy topic for me. I never want to even to seem like I'm bashing somebody else's work, however... What you said is the very reason I started writing in this genre in the first place.  Either every character wasn't really a character but a caricature, or the plot was one like you mentioned.

I got to a point where I was going to pull my hair out if I read one more story about a picked on, skinny, ugly, nerdy, weak young woman who took a pill to get big and strong, then proceeded to pummel every living thing in sight.  Or destroy a city, or somebody's house, or rape some poor unsuspecting dope who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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For me, a story needs to be a "story", it has to make me want to read more or learn more about the character. I like a progression and purpose to it, if it's part of something larger (a series, world, an epic) all the better.

I also hate to shamelessly self promote, so I am only going to promote myself after feeling thoroghly ashamed about it. There are other authors who write terrific multi-part stories, but I have a serial story I've been writing for a while now called Power and Fury that might be up your alley. Lots of action, and I'm proud of characters that make up the world. St.Mercy has been kind enough to link all the chapters for easy access.
http://amaz0ns.com/option,com_smf/Itemid,135/topic,5686.0/


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« Reply #11 on: Dec 28, 2007, 05:41 AM »

Hmm you mean all this time there was a method!!!  I had to try to figure most of that stuff out by trial an error  Wink
Agreed!

Does that mean I've been writing, somehow, incorrectly all this time?! Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 28, 2007, 06:10 AM »

Well, it might be comforting to say "there's no wrong way to write a good story"... but then you look at 75% of the atrocities Jim Carrey's starred in, and well...
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 28, 2007, 10:10 AM »

Nice thread.  I'd like to touch on two points:

1) 'Story' vs. 'Extended Scene'
This is clearly a personal preference.  My preference is for structure, but that's because I have a specific goal.  My preferred stories include the growth of multiple characters through multiple stages.  This allows for both a diversity of experience and a story that allows characters to obtain an ever increasing amount of power, parceled out in pieces.  To do this coherently, you need a structure which allows for those multiple events to be bound.  An extended scene doesn't allow for that.

2) Endings
Endings are hard.  In all writing.  It's not specific to fetish writing.  Professional writers have an incentive to creating an ending, since they're getting paid for a finished product.  But it appears to me that most writers are much more comfortable writing the story then concluding it.  And this really shouldn't be surprising.  The joy of writing is in the creation of events.  Resolution means you're bringing your writing experience to an end, and who wants that?

I almost never critique fetish stories.  I don't understand the point of it.  I like stories that satisfy my particular wants.  So why should I be critical if someone generates a story that doesn't line up with my desires?  As for "good writing", how am I to critique that?  Should I use this forum as a platform for educating people how to "write better"?  I hardly think I'm qualified to attempt that.

I find writing to be very difficult.  My own attempt took me a number of years to complete.  I have other ideas partially plotted, but I have difficultly being creative enough to construct a plot that I find satisfactory.  Which is another reason why I'm extremely hesitant to criticize anyone else's writing.  I know how hard in can be, and in this little fetish corner of my Universe, I appreciate anyone who makes an attempt, and I simply privately filter out the stories that I personally find unappealing.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 01, 2008, 10:06 PM »

I personally enjoy reading stories that are plotted and structured, with good plot and character development, over the "wham-bam, thank you ma'am" type. However, even those  stories can be entertaining if they're well written. I will also say that I have read very few stories concerning this genre i.e.: fmg, that I would harshly critique (were I prone to judging, something I've no business doing) other than in basic writing skills. Even then, I have read poorly written stories that were more enjoyable due to their subject matter, than ones which may have been grammatically perfect yet lacked any feeling or substance. By and large, I truly admire those folks who can take the time to even sit down and write about their personal fmg fantasies, dreams, nightmares, etc. in a way so that others may enjoy them as well.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 02, 2008, 04:51 AM »

I will also say that I have read very few stories concerning this genre i.e.: fmg, that I would harshly critique (were I prone to judging, something I've no business doing) other than in basic writing skills.

Let me get this out of the way -- yes, you do have every right to critique -- in fact, as a fellow writer, you have a duty to judge, and harshly (but still constructively, bear in mind.)

Writing is a science, bare minimum. Done well, writing is an art. If you have a technique that will enable your fellow craftsman to improve his product, how selfish is it to spare his feelings at the expense of his art?
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