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« Reply #16 on: Sep 03, 2008, 10:30 AM »
I think it's a conspiracy against the athlete that proves that it's possible without steroids.  It has to be.  How else did they place her third when her physique was clearly better than at least one of the others?
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 03, 2008, 11:26 AM »
I don't think it's a conspiracy - more a case of who knows who. The judges can also be swayed by national and local allegiances and the level of support in the audience for a particular girl.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 03, 2008, 11:29 AM »
Quote from: jdfan on Sep 03, 2008, 11:26 AM
I don't think it's a conspiracy - more a case of who knows who. The judges can also be swayed by national and local allegiances and the level of support in the audience for a particular girl.

Then they shouldn't be judges.  What's the point if the rankings are going to be swayed by the phases of the moon and where the contest is taking place?! Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 03, 2008, 06:15 PM »
She definitely looks the best of the three.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 04, 2008, 12:53 AM »
I'm no judge, but I think I do understand why Johanna placed behind Cheryl Faust: Faust seems better proportioned to me, albeit in some ineffable way I can't describe.  (Except maybe to say that Johanna's legs are a bit small compared to her upper body.)  I actually think I disagree with my own instinct and would myself have put Johanna first, but it's a close call.  On the other hand, though Kim Ferrell looks great, placing her above Johanna makes no sense to me at all.

Just another two cents to add to the pot.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 04, 2008, 01:16 AM »
Quote from: cpbell0033944 on Sep 03, 2008, 10:30 AM
I think it's a conspiracy against the athlete that proves that it's possible without steroids.  It has to be.  How else did they place her third when her physique was clearly better than at least one of the others?

Jd is not natural, she takes steriods. Claiming to be "natural" is laughable. Now, i am not anti-steriods; in fact I say juice up! It looks amazing, but lets be serious here.  It is impossible for a woman of JD's muscle mass and detial to be attained without the aid of roids, hgh, insulin or a combo of all three.

Let me say this straight out: No althete in competitive BB'ing, figure, or fitness is natural. There are "natural" BB'ing contests for a reason...
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 04, 2008, 01:47 AM »
What evidence do you have that she's not natural asides from her muscle mass?  She's still a tiny package, and from what I've seen small girls can sometimes pack a huge amount of mass.

So what proof do you have that Johanna is using steroids when her whole motto is to build naturally?  You need to back it up.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 04, 2008, 02:03 AM »
It's a biological imposibiliy, women produces about 1/13th the amount of testosterone that males produce.  A women with amazing genetics could work out for her entire life with a perfect diet and still not be able to compete at a pro/ national lvl. BB contest.  They simply cannot naturally produce enough test. to grow muscles of any signifigant size; let alone JD's development.

By no means do I mean to belittle anyone here, but the fact that we are even having this conversation really shows that some of you don't know much (or are in denial) about the "dark side" of bodybuilding.

As I said in my previous post, steroids arn't evil, but in the world of competitive BB'ing there not an advantage, there simply a given.

*Again, they have acctual natural bodybuilding contests for a reason; that reason is that men and women who don't take steriods cant compete with those who do (on the national or pro stage). Why else do you think they would have them?!?!?

If you dont believe me, and I am sure many of you don't, I challenge any of you to take a picture of JD to bodybuilding.com, musculardevelopment .com, ironmagazine.com, or any other reptuable body building site and ask the resident "guru" over there if he/she thinks if JD is natural (meaning takeing zero performance ehancing drugs like roids, hgh, or insulin).
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