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January 11, 2013 at 3:13 am #112014Trash BoatParticipant
I never saw the days when bodybuilding was shown in ESPN and muscular females were often visiting tv shows, but I’ve gotten an impression here and other forums that female bodybuilding used to get much more mainstream media exposure. Nowadays when it happens, it usually seems to get portrayed as an underground sport for muscle obsessed weirdos.
Maybe not as strong but yet the same trend seems to be in male bodybuilding. Everybody knows Arnold, many remember who is the original Hulk, but common man hardly has any idea of the top bodybuilders latest decades.
Something must have triggered the change. Change in sport politics? Lack of athletes? Or maybe changed attitude against drug usage? Not to get all nostalic, what would you do to change the front of fbb’ing`?
January 11, 2013 at 8:06 am #112019saculParticipantmaybe it has to do with how society’s opinion on the ideal body has changed? i know in the 70s and 80s it was about bigger guys and girls, but maybe they felt that they were getting too big? if you look back on big the girls were 30 years ago, they look tiny compared to now and maybe mainstream media doesn’t want to go for the bigger girls. so yes, i believe its many factors like how the sport has evolved, that the girls are bigger yes, but get less coverage. if you count the bodybuilders back then as fitness, then yes, fitness girls are still in the mainstream
January 12, 2013 at 6:06 am #112039BodybyBaneParticipantmaybe it has to do with how society’s opinion on the ideal body has changed? i know in the 70s and 80s it was about bigger guys and girls, but maybe they felt that they were getting too big? if you look back on big the girls were 30 years ago, they look tiny compared to now and maybe mainstream media doesn’t want to go for the bigger girls. so yes, i believe its many factors like how the sport has evolved, that the girls are bigger yes, but get less coverage. if you count the bodybuilders back then as fitness, then yes, fitness girls are still in the mainstream
I wouldn’t say that fitness girls are mainstream either.Check the internet
Girls with fitness level of muscle&higher get made fun of
As far as fame goes,..ask people outside the muscle industry who Monica Brant OR Debbie Kruck is
{don’t expect any right answers}
Being a muscle celebrity is even more short lived than before since fitness girls were marketed as throwbacks to McLish era
Haven’t seen a single one come even close to Cory Everson other than Vicky Pratt
America has know idea who the bloody hell the recent line-up of NBC’s Amer.Gldtrs are except for Gina Carano
Joanie”Chyna”Laurer before she left WWE in 2001 was nowhere as muscular as when she began in 1997
Lita as wellMy solution is get rid of Bob CHICK-hater Chicherillo&anybody else trying to keep women down
If a community won’t take care of their own then it will collapse&fallJanuary 13, 2013 at 12:08 am #112052yaracyrrah80ParticipantI think changing attitudes toward drug use are a significant factor. At this point, drug testing is certainly a necessary, though probably not a sufficient, condition for bodybuilding to be viewed as a legitimate pastime.
But I think it’s also true that as BBers (of both sexes, though especially women) get bigger, they get farther and farther from mainstream standards of attractiveness, and hence less and less tolerable (I don’t think that’s too strong a word) in mainstream entertainment.
On the women’s side, I think that fitness and physique will (continue to) grow in popularity as female strength becomes more universally accepted and praised. (Which I think is basically inevitable: culture, like science, advances one funeral at a time.) If BBing ever returns to the limelight, it will follow upon that.
January 13, 2013 at 8:26 pm #112061Trash BoatParticipantI think changing attitudes toward drug use are a significant factor. At this point, drug testing is certainly a necessary, though probably not a sufficient, condition for bodybuilding to be viewed as a legitimate pastime.
But I think it’s also true that as BBers (of both sexes, though especially women) get bigger, they get farther and farther from mainstream standards of attractiveness, and hence less and less tolerable (I don’t think that’s too strong a word) in mainstream entertainment.
On the women’s side, I think that fitness and physique will (continue to) grow in popularity as female strength becomes more universally accepted and praised. (Which I think is basically inevitable: culture, like science, advances one funeral at a time.) If BBing ever returns to the limelight, it will follow upon that.
I agree with the drug issue. It’s hard to say how much the “war against drugs” has affect on PED use. Sweden made some headlines arresting muscular people of the street due to new drug policy when steroids were seen no different in legal point of view than other drugs.
I see this kind of same like the attitudes towards smoking; before commonly accepted, but now, pressured more and more into a corner. Though in the other hand, public opinions seems to be more open with marijuana and other lighter stuff.
As for the body image, fitness and physique should be more easily marketted as a healthy way of life. Ironic thing thought that there’s steroid use already in bikini.
January 15, 2013 at 7:46 am #112091ant1937ParticipantI was born in the mid 60’s ansd loved femuscle as a little kid. I never imagined it would grow to where it did when I was 10 or 12. Tha amazing Charonne and the Popeye episodes were about it. A few other TV shows, but nothing like what came later. I remember ‘Real People” on NBC when I was a kid doing a feature on FBBS. Then came more. We had Jan Todd and the Women’s powerlifting championships start and there were some nice looking amazons in that. Vicky Gagne and Jan to name too. Ben francis also began there. The magazines started picking up the women’s scene more and more about 1980 and then we had WSP which was mail order…the start of the WPW company. The shows were also a novelty. Femuscle was new. It was first on ESPN with Cory, Kay Baxter, and Carla Dunlap.
Lets not forget ESPN had much less pro and college sports in those days. Women’s armwrestling was on too with the MLB players and the NFL players having a toruney. That would never happen now….MLB players armwrestling. Bodybuilding was in the rotation. There was musclemag show each week…which aired 2-3 times.
The talk shows were not around as much until the late 80’s and 90’s and loved fbbs. Most covered it. Some used the freak angle. Others had wrestling. Others were serious. The whole thing exploded. It was popular too. Guys would leave it on for a few minutes in college. Some would say gross, but they woud keep it there for a bit. We had the WSE and sponsors. All the best girls came. It was a WPW thing. Then came the next level of musclegirls with more roids.
Sponsors left for the reasons discussed and more. First, there was no issue with roids. Then..as baseball records fell and the feds became involved…..guess what? Drug enforcement vs roid went up about 4 times. Coleete Nelsons fiancee was jailed. Sherry Smith was arrested. lets face it….drugs were a huge part of the sport and still are. A top fbb may need a huge amount of that. You need a dealer…or to be a dealer and those guys are drying up in the US. Candada does not enforce it as much. That is why you see athletes travel to docs in Canada….or use them Tiger Woods and Arod. Every major dealer here is now in danger of jail. That was not nearly the case years back. They were sold easily at any top gym. It is now not like that. You have to work to find them.
Take the laws and the media scrutiny and public scrutiny vs all cheaters like Lance Armstrong, Bonds, and a zillion others. Why would endorsers stay with a sport everyone knows is big on roids? They would not. Why would you put such people on TV? You would not. The few girls I have seen on the last 6 or 7 years are usually playing the role of a freak. The exposes done on the sport by CNBC, MSNBC, Discovery, and others all had women admitting they use roids and that the only way to make money as sessions.
Mix all that up and fbbing is dead. Strongwoman and things like that have potential as does women’s weightlifting. Even men’s bodybuilding is dead. I have no idea who is a famous male bb now. No Lou Ferrigno or Arnolds these days. The sport has become underground. The few women who are active are as good as ever. ‘Nutrition” and training have improved. However, way less girls. I used to just go to my gym and get a surprise show 10 times a year with some amazing monster…and we had a few world class fbbs. Nothing now.
I agree that fitness is not mainstream. It has some backing, but it frowns on very muscular bodies.
The good news is girls are more involved in strength sports than ever before and thus getting bigger and stronger. Times have changed alot. Think of how DWI enforcement has changed over 30 years. The same thing has happened recently to roids. MLB players use creams that are out of your body in 12 hours now. No more hardcore stuff with testing always possible.
The best girls now and over the past 10-15 years have also known how to mix the right things together and thus are much stronger than the girls of the 80’s and even most of the girls of the early 90’s. More volume back then too. It is not new now either. People have seen it. They can go to youtube. There is no point to putting it on a talk show. I would like to see an FBB get a role as a female bully or cagefighter type thing more often. There are so many fights on TV, but the girls can’t even get those parts like they once did.
January 15, 2013 at 8:48 am #112092saculParticipantAlso i think the biggest issue has to do with public and media perception of the sport of bodybuilding. I think its because most people don’t see bodybuilding as a competitive sport unlike tennis and basketball and perhaps they feel that its not ‘exciting’ to watch. So unless our mentality changes and what we see as an ideal body changes, bodybuilding, and female bodybuilders will remain an ‘underground’ sport.
January 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm #112095Trash BoatParticipantThanks for your recollections.
Mix all that up and fbbing is dead. Strongwoman and things like that have potential as does women’s weightlifting. Even men’s bodybuilding is dead. I have no idea who is a famous male bb now. No Lou Ferrigno or Arnolds these days. The sport has become underground. The few women who are active are as good as ever. ‘Nutrition” and training have improved. However, way less girls. I used to just go to my gym and get a surprise show 10 times a year with some amazing monster…and we had a few world class fbbs. Nothing now
It’s just not bodybuilding. Being strong was big in the 70’s when Vasily Alekseyev, the Russian superheavyweight weightlifter, got into cover of Time magazine and one athletic coach used to tell my how shot put and discus throw were big in Europe and relatively in the states. The women started to surface as well in the 80’s but the tone changed when drug usage become very obvious and the soviet block women with manly appearance basically become a laughing stock.
The good news is girls are more involved in strength sports than ever before and thus getting bigger and stronger. Times have changed alot. Think of how DWI enforcement has changed over 30 years. The same thing has happened recently to roids. MLB players use creams that are out of your body in 12 hours now. No more hardcore stuff with testing always possible.
This is one where tjere is room to grow. Since women weightlifting got into olympics in 2000, the level of competition has exploded. It’s still not a popular sport by any standard but at least there are some women setting an example that ladies can be strong too. In powerlifting I don’t really know has the trend shown any change and strongwomen is a really just a showcase for a very few ladies.
One thing what seems to have become big in recent years is Crossfit. And it really uses women wearing just micro shorts and small tops to get coverage. It seems to get a lot of critique for poor form and unqualified trainers, but it’s a new sport and these things take time progress. Anyway, it has allured lots of women to grab a bar, do chin-ups and gymnastics etc. and that’s what matters the most.
January 17, 2013 at 11:23 am #112119JimParticipantJust thinking about how enjoyable it was to watch all the fitness programs on ESPN2. Kianna Flex Appeal, Fitness Beach and a few more that I cannot recall. That was early 90s. Hard to believe i has been twenty years. Wish ESPN or another network would revive that type of programming.
January 17, 2013 at 1:40 pm #112121TC2ParticipantI used to get up early in the morning to watch Cory Everson and Kiana, then go right back to bed! Other nights I would love to watch the female bodybuilder documentaries which showcased some pictures of quadra blu.
Man I miss those days!
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