Re: DeeAnn Donovan on Trading Spouses, 11/16

C'mon, Muffin, you can do better than "whiner". How about "crybaby" or "bed-wetter"?

I'm also amused by the concept that false persecution isn't something to get upset about. Guess if someone's not the victim of it themselves it's not worthy of their notice.

If someones not a victim they have no right to whine.

As long as we're talking about "false persecution", though…

No, I didn't see the episode. I wasn't commenting about the episode. I was commenting about the episode recap posted at the show's website. (Which I quoted accurately and in context.) Nowhere did I question the truth or falsity of the statements intended to relate Margaret's actions (what she said to the cab driver, tearing up the envelope, etc.). But along with those descriptions, there were statements made by the writer of the recap that I felt (and still feel) were gratuitous insults made toward religious beliefs that are sincerely held by millions of people who don't act like screaming harpies and thus don't deserve to have their beliefs ridiculed in this fashion. If my criticism of these statements rises to the level of "persecution" in your book, well, I'd love to know what you think the difference between "criticism" and "persecution" is.

So you admit you're making a bullshit statement based on a sight without having all the facts?

(I can understand why someone would believe that I'm off-base in describing the comments in the recap as anti-Christian, and I'm willing to listen to a logical and well-reasoned rebuttal. And I'll stipulate that Margaret is a psycho, and a hypocrite as well for taking the money after all.)

Because you ARE off-base.

The only point of my original post was to express my concern that DeeAnn was putting herself in a position where unfair and gratuitous insults might (and I stress might) be made about her physique, because Hollywood and TV types hold the same antipathy (with very few exceptions) toward muscular women that they hold against Christians.

See? Here's this false persecution bullshit. Christians are not being unfairly treated. Look around. Look at every president we've ever had. No go read polls about how much of a chance people think an athiest or jewish president have.

You don't seem to be able to disagree with someone without impugning their character in some way.

When someone openly says that don't know what they're talking about, they don't deserve to be respected.

If Dave said "Man this site is rather harsh. Was she really that bad?" I'd be more than happy to discuss it. But nope. He jumped right in and acted like it was because she was christian. The fact she's a psycho can't have anything to do with it. It's because she was christian.

Muffin Man, you're backing yourself into a corner. My only suggestion is to stop replacing tact with honesty. Whether what you say is true or not, there is a better way to say it. For example, you don't have to call someone with a legitimate concern a "whiner". Also, everyone has a right to whine if they want to. We Jews have been doing that for years.  😉

Another thing, you are looking at the Christian thing from the wrong perspective. Christians get an unfair treatment by anyone who does not share their belief, just like it has been with Jews and, more recently, Muslims. Also, out of the population of the entire world, what do you think that the ratio is of atheists vs. Christians. Despite what the polls say, an atheist could easily win the Presidency. You forget that one of the key things that is done in politics is lying. You you smudge a few facts, saying that an athiest is a Christian. Aside from the Tabloids, who would ever find out, let alone believe them.

My last argument concerns your last statement. The one concerning respect. If someone openly states that they have no idea what they are talking about, then they deserve to HAVE our respect. One of the biggest shortcommings of humanity is that we are incredibly proud, and we have a problem with admitting that we were wrong about something. To do so is often seen as a weakness, whether consciously or subconsciously. I won't say that your heart is in the wrong place by saying what is on your mind, but you definitely have a slanted view of the world. I suggest that you take some time and relfect on everything that you say before you post on this board, or do anything else in life. It doesn't have to be anything extensive, just enough so that you are sure about what you want to say.