A World Without America

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  • #55053
    JimmyDimples
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    Hey, remember some time ago when Lingster showed a YouTube piece on British press bias

    Well, I delved a bit more with 18 Doughty Street, the folks that gave us that video, and found this little bit I'd been meaning to cap and release right on July 4.  But it really struck a chord with me, especially being an American away from the home I love so much.

    Now I realize my home nation has received a lot of flak lately, and is officially in the dumper with much of the rest of the world.  Some of that may be deserved, some of it may not. 

    Still, after hearing person after person trash it… I think we should really think what it'd be like to live in…

    A World Without America.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAtNILh6uY

    #55054
    cpbell0033944
    Participant

    A world still being ravaged by polio as late as '69?  Load of rubbish – we'd have sorted it out by then.  As for the thought that it was the American president (George H W, surely?) that convinced Thatcher/Major as to the evils of Saddam Hussein, so without America, Britain would be palsy-walsy with a nuclear weapon-posessing Iraq?  Absolute **** – we have a lower tolerance of nuclear weapons as a nation than the US, so any British government that supported Hussein would find themselves out on their ear at the first available General Election (unless we're going to claim that, without the US, Britain would not be a democracy). ::) 

    Other than that, I agree that, in general, the world would be a worse place without the US.  I have been roundly criticised on here before for being anti-American, which just goes to show how much Dubya's "If you don't support every decision I make then you're not a patriot" rhetoric has been swallowed uncritically by people.  I am NOT anti-American,  but I am critical of US foreign policy, its attitude towards the EU and the UK, and its reluctance to reduce carbon emissions.

    #55055
    stmercy2020
    Participant

    Just imagine the fun you can have if you're American and don't whole-heartedly support every decision coming out of the offal office…

    I personally love and hate alternative histories- I love them from the standpoint of a sci-fi/fantasy author and reader, but I hate when people try to assert that any alternative history would actually have been true if only this particular change were true.  It's a position that is utterly insupportable, because history results from virtually infinite, discrete conditions too numerable to identify, let alone track.

    Would the world be better without the U.S.?  Worse?  Impossible to really say.  All I think can really be stated with any authority is that it would be different.

    #55056
    cpbell0033944
    Participant

    Just imagine the fun you can have if you're American and don't whole-heartedly support every decision coming out of the offal office…

    Take heart, stmercy, with these words of no less a man than Theodore Rooseveldt:

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)

    #55057
    Prophet Tenebrae
    Participant

    Any more articulate comment I can think about when I see this is overwhelmed by the voice shouting SELF INDULGENT TRIPE! I was just waiting to see people struggling around with square wheels in their mud huts.

    Sure, America has done plenty of good things… but this isn't a particularly good way to make the point. Unless it was being ironic.

    Was it being ironic? It almost felt like it was at times but I think I was probably just hoping that no one could be so blinkered as to think no USA would be such an unmitigated disaster for the world. Although, I suppose that no Israel is probably a toss up depending on your point of view.

    #55058
    Lingster
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    #55059
    Richard
    Participant

    I think that the issue is not that we didn't have any Hospitals with space or facilities, Canadian Hospitals are recognized around the world for their excellence. But rather a question of distance, we are the second largest contry in the world and the American Hospital was closer then any in Canada. So seeing as it was an emergency we didn't call some pencil pusher to see if she was covered we flew her their and paid the bill.

    #55060
    Lingster
    Keymaster

    Hahaha.  There was no hospital in Canada that could handle four simultaneous intensive care births, so the mother had to give birth at a small hospital maternity ward in the U.S.  Suck it up, Canuck.

    #55061
    Richard
    Participant

    Your really not that nieve to believe that right!

    #55062
    Lingster
    Keymaster

    Your really not that nieve to believe that right!

    From the article:

    Canada welcomes the birth of the newest set of quadruplets born to proud Canadian parents. Karen and J.P. Jepp. However, the Jepp quads will be eligible to run for the presidency of the United States when they reach the age of 35, having been born in Benefis Hospital in Great Falls, Montana, 325 miles from their home in Calgary, capital of the Canadian oil industry.

    The precious gift of American citizenship comes to the Jepp Quads because there were no hospital facilities anywhere in Canada able to handle 4 neonatal intensive care babies. Not in Calgary, a city of over a million people, the wealthiest in Canada, or anywhere else in Canada.  Local officials looked.

    I guess I am that naive.

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