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August 1, 2005 at 1:16 am #9128AnonymousGuest
As many of you know, I don't like to copy what I see. I like being original as much as I can.
I also want to write some FMG fiction.
There seems to be some common themes, like potions, poisoning, radiation, to bring about growth, and that some people either are in total love with the buff heroines or they are totally revolted by them.
Now, this may sound like a really stupid question but aside from the fact that muscle-bound women are in the story, do I have to include anything to qualify it as FMG fiction? I don't know if there's some unspoken rules to follow…
August 1, 2005 at 1:26 am #9129recycle456ParticipantStrawberry
My 2 cents is that the gals need to comment on the changes from their perspective in relation to the changes. The feeling on new increase strength and/or height.
August 1, 2005 at 1:57 am #9130AnonymousGuestStrawberry
My 2 cents is that the gals need to comment on the changes from their perspective in relation to the changes. The feeling on new increase strength and/or height.
Hmm…interesting, I never thought of that!
August 1, 2005 at 8:14 am #9131David C. MatthewsParticipantTwo pieces of advice, because they both address "pet peeves":
1) Keep the paragraphs short! Nothing will put me off of a story faster than seeing one or two massive blocks of text, especially when there are two (or more) characters conversing. It doesn't mean every paragraph has to be short; just know when to split off into another paragraph whenever appropriate.
Just off the top of my head, one writer I can put forward as a example of how it's done well is Jimmy Dimples (and that's not just because he's writing that Dyna story). "The Stray" looked promising to me because (among other things) the short paragraphs created an "open" feeling to the story; and I'm meow glad I read meow. (Jimmy also does it right concernig point #2 below.)
2) Proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation do count. It's OK to let an occasional misspelling or omitted period slide in a casual post, but a story represents you as a writer, and your command of the craft of writing. (And that's all I'm going to say about that.)
August 1, 2005 at 9:26 am #9132JimmyDimplesParticipantThat's not a stupid question at ALL, Strawberry! I wish more people would ask that more often.
Thanks very kindly, Dave. š
And he hit the nail on the head. White space is your friend! Nothing scares me off of reading a piece like a massive block of text. I usually try to keep my paragraphs about five sentences or lines or so. Ten maybe, but that's pressing my luck.
Sorta like a dress… long enough to cover the subject properly… but just short enough to keep it interesting. š
And yes… proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. counts. It's one thing if a dim-bulb character's speech or writing isn't up to snuff… but the author's had better be.
Also, recycle456 was right on the woman's perspective. Much of the conflict that fueled my Alternate Reality Sailor Moon fan writings came from the heroine's day to day life. What good is being able to blast a monster to smithereens if it can't get you a boyfriend? Or finish your homework with a decent grade? Or buy that new pricey bracelet you saw in the store?
Also, in female muscle growth… there are important questions…
(1) How fast does it grow? Over a year or longer, like with a normal workout? Instantaneously? Over a few minutes like blowing up a balloon? Or day by day so the loved ones might think "Is that dress making her butt look big?" then a week later realize, "Hey… she's seriously bulkiing up here. Fast!"
(2) Love, hate, or somewhere in the middle? Yes, folks are either enraptured or repulsed, it seems. What if there's something in the middle? ("Yes, she's still sweet, and still lovely… but when I hug her… it's like I'm hugging a guy!")
(3) How does SHE feel about it? Originally, in my AR-SM Sailor Moon stories, my character Sailor Amazonia hated the fact she was 6'2" and still in high school. Being a good girl, she fought the nasties of the Dark Kingdom dutifully, but she DESPISED the fact that she got an inch taller when she turned into a heroine, thinking it made her look fat. Far from a tower of power, she'd became anorexic, even resorting to ipecac syrup to purge her system. And she exercised and did sports to slim down… and we can figure out where THAT led.
Gradually, she used her unusual size and strength as a bridge to other students who got grief because they were too fat, short, thin, tall, or what not… and honed her sensitivity. And she slowly learned how to use her… erm… strategically enhancing amplitude to help sway the occasional fanboy to help her with something.
In short (pun), being big, buff, buxom, and bodacious grew on her. (double zinger!)
There's more of course. I'll try to give more tips when I get time.
August 1, 2005 at 12:12 pm #9133TC2ParticipantWell most here covered all the good points so I'm just going to bring up my own points:
1.) (most) People like stories that are short, sweet, and to the point. Anything that reaches novel lengths instantly turns some people off, they want to see muscle growth ASAP! (Once again this is most but not all, those who like to read those stories are in the minority I have discovered.)
2.) People like all sorts of character qualities, whether the woman becomes a destroyer or a hero, whether she's gentle or savage, whether she's dangerous or huggable, you can pick any quality and you are guarenteed to have at least one person really like the story. That being said I personally go for the heroine type of character who either has a conflict with her constantly changing body and tries hard to control it or totally embraces it and uses her abilities to save lives. I'm not a big fan of a destroyer type unless the heroine accidentally finds herself going out of control.
3.) Personal pet peeve are stories that are updated over a monthly basis instead of "write" away, bwa ha ha ha man that was funny to me. I personally do not like having to wait several months for a person to finish ONE story, I would much rather want it to be done immediately instead of having to waste my time waiting, and waiting, and waiting.
4.) I never read, if you manage to make me read a story then you've got something good, if not it's just like all the others in my honest opinion. I'm not saying you should try to please what I'm looking for, but I am saying that if you manage to get me to read and hook me from the first sentence then you've got a damn good story going on there.
5.) Lot's of people are impatient, fast is good, slow is bad, long but complete is good, long but in progress bad.
6.) I'm guilty of not doing this but, proofread, you are guarenteed to find at least 10 mistakes even though you thought you wrote a flawless story.
7.) If you want to make something unique, you're going to have to make the transformation triggered by some kind of circumstance that has not yet been envisioned by other writers, this is near impossible to do so don't try to hard trying to find a unique twist that is only yours.
8.) An interesting character always makes a story worth reading, if the people fall in love with your character they will always want to read more about her adventures and find out what happens to her next.
9.) Conflict is fun, if there is no conflict it'll just be a big snooze fest.
10.) When it comes to Good and Bad etc. People always want the villain to die, yet when asked if they want to turn the main "good" protaganist into the next evil villain, they are split in between 50/50. Example: Hero A saves the world votes: 50 % Hero A turns into a villain after having defeated the evil in the world and now uses this power to destroy it votes: 50%
11.) Write what you would most be interested in writing about and not what the "fans" want. Of course it has to be within FMG limits, meaning if you're suddenly writing about the fluffy clouds in the sky err… you're in the wrong place.
12.) Clothes ripping is an EXCELLENT display of muscle growth, there is no better substitute than when clothes rip off due to growing muscle mass. If you're going for the "quick" FMG ripping clothes is the way to go.
13.) For muscles that grow over a long period of time, have other characters describe what's happening and then have the protagonist reflect on what's happening to her. How people react and what she thinks about her changing body is a good substitute if you're not interested in tearing clothes.
14.) Nudity is not required to be considered FMG, the magic "bra straps" and "panties" can always stretch out to conform to the growing body albeit tearing a tiny bit.
15.) Sex is also not required in FMG, that's personally not my thing either I wouldn't want to read something like that.
There are mainly personal preferences and behaviors I have observed over the years, do what you want with this info and have fun writing your story. Once you post it I'll do the mandatory read, and if your work is good from the get go then I'll read any new stories you've got and comment. If not I'm going to be "honest" and tell you what needs improving and why I didn't like it speaking from a "FMG Mainstream" oxymoron perspective.
Good luck
August 1, 2005 at 7:50 pm #9134AnonymousGuestThanks, guys. While youāll never catch me calling myself an āartistā and what I draw āart,ā I will refer to myself as a writer. Iāve been writing stories for as long as I can remember, and winning awards for it. I was even paid to write biographies when I was 18 or 19. I still appreciate your general writing tips, but would prefer more FMG related stuff š
I am left with one question, though. FMG = Female Muscle Growth, and it didnāt hit me until reading Collectorās comments. This question might sound really stupid: does growth actually had to occur, or can we start off with an already buff woman? If growth must occur, please let me know what category an already buff woman would fall into. I have story ideas for both.
August 1, 2005 at 8:33 pm #9135Debido-SanParticipant3.) Personal pet peeve are stories that are updated over a monthly basis instead of "write" away, bwa ha ha ha man that was funny to me. I personally do not like having to wait several months for a person to finish ONE story, I would much rather want it to be done immediately instead of having to waste my time waiting, and waiting, and waiting.
Dammit…that one is sorta my problem….
anyways, if you want it to be FMG, the main point for it to be "Female Muscle Growth" is of course that they grow into it, instead of already being that way…and along with short paragraphs, more detail, the better (somehow that doesn't make sense to me…)
also, (and I'm not sure if has been mentioned) weight lifting is cool and all, but there are some that can't quite grasp how much "two tons above her head easily" would equate to…so if you want to give off a better feeling for how strong they are, it's always nice to include lifting/destruction of public property, such as cars lol…
EDIT: for gals that are already that way, they would go under "Muscular Females" or "Superstrength"…but now I wonder if a gal that's already buff getting bigger would still be under FMG…lol
August 1, 2005 at 8:43 pm #9136TC2ParticipantDebido-San just answered your question, anything about an already buff chick is pretty much F-M without the G, after all the point of FMG is to demonstrate the woman growing into a beautiful muscular female.
If she is already buff, then it would fall under the muscular females category as it will have nothing to do with the growth aspect whatsover.
August 1, 2005 at 10:42 pm #9137AnonymousGuestanyways, if you want it to be FMG, the main point for it to be "Female Muscle Growth" is of course that they grow into it, instead of already being that way
Yeah, so I figured. I wanted to make sure š So, what would āalready muscularā fall into? Oh, wait, you answered that in your edit, thanks!!
also, (and I'm not sure if has been mentioned) weight lifting is cool and all, but there are some that can't quite grasp how much "two tons above her head easily" would equate to…so if you want to give off a better feeling for how strong they are, it's always nice to include lifting/destruction of public property, such as cars lol…
This is the truth. Iāve read some stories that arenāt all that descriptive, and you donāt really understand the magnitude of the strength.
Thanks for your help, everyone š
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