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Now what?
Something I’ve been thinking about lately which is WAY off topic, but hopefully worth sharing.
Some highly regarded climate scientists say we have already passed the environmental tipping point – that catastrophe is unavoidable. But I hope and believe there is still something we can do. First, though, it might be helpful to accept that there is or even might be a problem.
Any doubt which might still exist about the calamitous deterioration of our environment is surely so overshadowed by the magnitude of this potential tragedy that to use uncertainty as an excuse to ridicule the concerns of those informed by science, or to excuse either inaction or (worse yet) continued rapacious exploitation is short-sighted at best.
Naturally we envision our children and grandchildren living happy, healthy lives. And we tend to distrust, even disparage any suggestion that we are, instead, leaving a legacy of environmental degradation so severe that lives as comfortable as ours have been will be an unreachable fantasy for sons and daughters struggling to endure. But make no mistake – the very existence of society as we know it, even of the human race itself IS at risk. And the danger is not hundreds of years into some remote, hazy future. The overwhelming evidence suggests that within 50 years (or less) our environment will be unlike anything the human species has ever before experienced.
Of the many verifiable reasons for concern about our planet’s climate trajectory are two which I recently learned about. Frankly, they are scary and sobering. First, it takes 40 years for greenhouse gasses to reach maximum global warming effect. Second, we have released more greenhouse gasses in the last 25 years than in all previous human history. Subtracting 25 from 40 gives us 15. So, as bad as things are already getting (prolonged droughts with looming food shortages, more and more severe storms, melting glaciers…) we won’t even BEGIN to see the worst of it for another fifteen years. And after that things will get exponentially worse for another 25 years even IF we were to immediately stop ALL greenhouse gas emissions. No wonder there are climate scientists who (knowing much more about this than either you or I) have abandoned their previous efforts to find workable solutions and have instead moved their families to remote areas, hoping against hope to be able to somehow survive.
So, if such knowledgeable men and women of Science have given up on finding a solution, what could possibly be motivating my optimism (such as it is)? Some of you might be thinking, “faith.” Now, I am not going to discount faith. But that is not what I have in mind. I would rather, you know, actually DO something – even if just to feel good about having tried. Therefore, I also won’t disparage things other people are doing like recycling, or riding a bike instead of driving a car, or even picking up litter. But again, I have something else in mind.
What I’m thinking is, there might be some solution other than the physical solution those scientists have despaired of. Yes, I’m talking about applying non-physical energy to the problem. I know that while some folks have no problem accepting the possibility if not the certainty of non-physical energies, others will insist that such a concept is absurd, claiming that if a thing can’t be measured it therefore can not or at least might as well not exist. I hope those skeptics will consider the following. Physicists now know that 95% of our Universe is either Dark Matter or Dark Energy – things which can NOT be directly measured. (Matter and Energy are two forms of the same thing, as is stated by Einstein’s E=MC*2.) All of the mere 5% of our Universe which can be measured (including the entire physical mass of the Earth as well as every thing and every person on it), is dwarfed and surrounded by “non-physical” energy. We have all seen images depicting our Earth’s seemingly inconsequential presence out on the periphery of the Milky Way Galaxy. When you consider how tiny the Earth is compared to our galaxy and how tiny our galaxy is compared to the universe, and when you then also acknowledge that the whole extent of our visible, measurable universe comprises only 5% of the energy that is really here, then the magnitude of our Earthly environmental problems becomes relatively insignificant.
It is, however, entirely fair to protest that though our problem may be insignificant from a universal perspective, from the perspective of someone who has to live here the problem is very significant. But if we could access that practically infinite energy and apply it here on Earth, then our environmental problems could indeed become relatively infinitesimal – and surmountable. And there is reason to believe we can access that energy.
Though the logical analysis our brains are capable of has failed to lift the veil of mystery from how the universe works, one of the more useful models we have is the Holographic Model. In a hologram, the entirety of the hologram exists in every little piece of the hologram. So, if the holographic model is anything close to what is really going on, then it may well be that every little piece of our universe has access to all the energy in the universe. Indeed, systems of knowledge which long predate western logic describe a universe in which we are all “one with God.” It has been said (probably by the adherents of these systems) that the knowledge available from these systems comes more from universal mind than individual brain. Whether true or not, such beliefs are not inconsistent with the state of modern scientific knowledge – knowledge which can not dispute the possibility that each one of us has access to practically infinite, universal energy.
But, assuming for the moment that our connection with that energy is at least possible, how effectively can we channel that energy to address a problem like environmental destruction? I do not claim to know the answer to that for sure. But I do know there are many forms of “energy work” which have been practiced for millennia. And though the logical proofs of their effectiveness have sometimes been somewhat unconvincing (as is also the case for prayer), the anecdotal evidence is massive. I myself, though initially a skeptic, on a lark once attended a training in Therapeutic Touch (a form of energy work) and was amazed to discover that I could actually, undeniably feel the energy fields around things. Subsequent trainings (Reiki, Jin Shin Do…) and the experiences I had using energy work have convinced me that there are energy fields surrounding and interpenetrating each of us which can be channeled to have physical effects. The natural state of optimal health which exists when energy flows freely through us can devolve to disease when that energy flow becomes blocked. With simple but focused intent to act as a conscious conduit for energy to flow through me to and freely through others so that it is available and dynamic wherever it might be needed, and by intending that it continue flowing, free of blockage, maintaining optimal energetic health, I have witnessed significant, immediate improvement in various forms of disease. “The Force” is real, and it works. Now, I don’t expect you to be convinced by my experiences. But, especially in light of how dire the predictions are for the immediate future of life on our planet, my hope is that you can at least remain open minded.
I propose that each one of us, in whatever way seems best to us as individuals (and acknowledging that since we are individuals our methods can be expected to be different but no less valid), spend some time every day channeling universal energy to, praying for, or even just imagining a healthy Earth. If you can only spare a few seconds while doing the dishes – that’s fine. I think every little bit will (or at least could) help. In my experience, becoming attached to an outcome as specific as, say, levitating the Pentagon (as a group tried and failed to do during the Viet Nam War) or maybe immediately decreasing the Earth’s temperature by two degrees can not be expected to succeed. It is more effective to have no expectations and just let the energy (or God, if you prefer) work. What I will be doing is envisioning myself as one with the universe, with all that energy as part of me. Then I will envision the Earth and myself being one with / part of each other so that the Earth too has access to all that energy. Through me and my intent that the energy wash away any blockages which may exist, the Earth will use as much of the universal energy as it needs or wants to become healthy and whole. I will not visualize anything more specific than that. The Earth can therefore become what is best for her to be – whether or not the result is something my ego might have expected or preferred.
I suggest just one small precaution. When doing energy work, you are less likely to feel depleted (and more likely to feel invigorated) if you remember to see yourself as a mere conduit for the energy rather than as the source of the energy.
Naturally I can offer no guarantee that this optimistic vision will result in a healed, healthy Earth where our children and grandchildren can thrive and be happy. But I hope you will join me.
What do we have to lose?

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I feel that your post is just coming out of the blue and is confusing as fuck.

At what point did a discussion about climate change happen? I know this is free for all, but you start off the post with “So now what” as if we knew what the heck you were talking about in the first place.

Also, that is a huge wall of text and it’d be nice if you had spaced out the paragraphs so it wouldn’t be so difficult to read.

Sorry pal, but whatever point you’re trying to make has been completely lost.

[Ashlee]

BS !what type SUV’s were the dinosaurs driving?
100 million years ago the earth spun 22 hours in a day,in another 100 million it will be 26 hours 28 hours in a day . CO2 is not a pollutant , Plants need it to give off Oxygen.
The emails that were found & released totally debunk it as a fraud!

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collector,
the first part of my post was the “subject” which clearly identified what I was going to talk about. You should have tried reading that.
There were 10 paragraphs in that text. Yes, the initial indentation got lost when I pasted, but you can see the end of the paragraphs.
If you don’t have any comments on the substance, it would be best if you did not comment at all.

ashlee,
congrats (I guess) on being one of the few remaining dittoheads who denies even the possibility that global warming is both being accelerated by human activity and is a problem worth addressing.
the emails you are probably referring to did not debunk it as a fraud. They identified a research and analysis practice which (though suboptimal w/r using the data in a discussion with the average joe) is not all that uncommon. The so-called debunking came from folks like you who either don’t know what they are talking about or who do know but want to mislead the gullible.
And seriously, what is your problem with considering a possibility? Are you really that sure of yourself??? If so, I gotta marvel at how you could be.

[AlexG]

Please – Ashlee is certainly not a dittohead.

She’s a Savagette! :woohoo: B)

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Ashlee]

when the sun goes Nova and turns red giant and finally turns to a black hole ,and the earth is cooked and then sucked in to nothingness are we going to blame it on humans.
, or when the earth core cools and we loose are magnetic shield causing the cosmic radation
bombarment of the earth,& it dies screaming are humans going to be blamed Too!!!we amreican have been cleaning the enviorment for 55 years, the earth is clearner now that 150 years ago
Bitch to the Chinese ,the Russians and the indians, Hell the Russians used the black sea as a toilet for there old war ship reactors!
when the Saddam set kwait oild fields on fire there no screaming from wacko left for his head, NOOOOO
we go ” no blood for oil “also “Bush lied people died.”
now we got this piece of shit in the white house who wants destroy America from within!!!
THERE I SAID IT!!! :angry:

[TC2]

I did post something constructive, format your paragraphs with double spaced so people will actually read it.

I know this is free for all, but consider this.

Why are you starting a discussion about global warming on a website about strong women? Your post starts off immediately on a tirade without any transition leading into the discussion.

It’d be different if you started off with say: “So I wanted to discuss something with you guys. Have any of you thought about the issue of climate change?”

and then go into your post with properly formatted text and maybe even consider condensing it down to 4 paragraphs instead of 10. No one wants to read some angry off topic rant that’s 10 paragraphs long clumped together.

Therefore, if you want real discussion to pop up. Edit your post.

P.S.
Also, going off an Ashlee with an attitude on her stance doesn’t not exactly merit that you want to “discuss” something.

[TC2]

when the sun goes Nova and turns red giant and finally turns to a black hole ,and the earth is cooked and then sucked in to nothingness are we going to blame it on humans.
, or when the earth core cools and we loose are magnetic shield causing the cosmic radation
bombarment of the earth,& it dies screaming are humans going to be blamed Too!!!we amreican have been cleaning the enviorment for 55 years, the erath is clearner now that 150 years ago
Bitch to the Chinese ,the Russians and the indians, Hell the Russians used the black sea as a toilet for there old war ship reactors!

Ashlee, though I know we humans have a tendency to want to blame someone for pollution. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t take better care of the planet regardless. Smog and pollution still create health risks to people who breathe in the air even if you don’t believe it affects the ozone layer. There’s no reason we shouldn’t be doing our part to help reduce the amount of pollutants we release into the air.

[Ashlee]

I agree ,but like i stated until the Chinese and the Russian & indians change its does not mean a thing
and the American do care about enviro thingsI just do not buy into warming hogwash!I’m tired
of taking the lead when other do not feel compel to

[quote=”Ashlee” post=118057]when the sun goes Nova and turns red giant and finally turns to a black hole ,and the earth is cooked and then sucked in to nothingness are we going to blame it on humans.
, or when the earth core cools and we loose are magnetic shield causing the cosmic radation
bombarment of the earth,& it dies screaming are humans going to be blamed Too!!!we amreican have been cleaning the enviorment for 55 years, the erath is clearner now that 150 years ago
Bitch to the Chinese ,the Russians and the indians, Hell the Russians used the black sea as a toilet for there old war ship reactors!

Ashlee, though I know we humans have a tendency to want to blame someone for pollution. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t take better care of the planet regardless. Smog and pollution still create health risks to people who breathe in the air even if you don’t believe it affects the ozone layer. There’s no reason we shouldn’t be doing our part to help reduce the amount of pollutants we release into the air.[/quote]

[FlakBait]

So this thread is now being locked. I don’t care what you all discuss but insulting members for disagreeing with you or critiquing your post, pict, is sure as hell not being tolerated. Do NOT let it happen again.

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