[JimmyDimples]

Y’know, as I’ve been writing and reading FMG stuff for a while, I was wondering on the changes the woman’s attitude, outlook, and behavior goes through when it happens.

The big one is this: does suddenly becoming more powerful corrupt someone, or simply amplify the kind of person one is?

[AlexG]

I think you’re asking about the classic two-edged sword of transformation.

One – of absolute power, corrupting absolutely.

And two – Stan Lee’s statement of with great power comes even greater responsibly.

Psychologically, it all depends upon the individual whose the recipient of the blessing (or curse) of the transformational change. Some will certainly rise to the occasion and become better individuals, others, perhaps just as good to start out with because of their inherent flaws will be enamored (even possessed) by the more hedonistic / narcissistic elements of their change and become far worse in nature. This is far more likely if the character is “pre-arranged” for such a fall from grace. Nor is it to say that from time to time some of them might not try to redeem themselves, but more often then not it’s not something that you see occurring with much frequency in these types of stories.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Hunter S Creek]

An example of the facet of female growth that I enjoy best is the physical and sexual empowerment of a formerly nice but underappreciated, underdeveloped, short, scrawny, female. I am not into violence. I tend to lose interest in growth scenarios if the female becomes ridiculously large or powerful.

Having said that, I do expect some personality adjustment as a result of the female’s growth. I can recall several old classmates who responded to their development by gaining confidence. Some became quite a bit self-conscious at first, however.

How the female reacted seemed to be a function of what their personalities were like at the beginning, how their peers reacted, how guys reacted, how their families reacted, how quickly the changes ocurred, and the magnitude to which the changes ocurred. For a fictional character, I would imagine that the cause of the changes, whether or not she could control the situation, and the reason for the changes would be factors too.

It is not difficult to imagine that an angry female scientist who works hard to make herself grow over the course of just minutes would react much differently than a mousy bookworm who was accidentally exposed to something that makes her grow gradually over the course of weeks or months.

Just my 2 pfennigs worth 🙂

Tschuss!

Hunter

[Amazon Lover]

Generally, when writing stories regarding female muscle growth, there must be SOME change in the girl’s attitude, as the girl cannot simply live life the way she always did before. To what extent or degree depends on the circumstances of the growth, as well as how she’s changed. Here’s a list of factors one might wish to consider while writing a story:

– How big are her muscles; is she simply athletic-looking, as muscular as a bodybuilder, or farfetchedly huge? Bulky muscles may prove useful, as they can intimidate foes, if she is often facing adversity. However, huge muscles can also intimidate regular people, thus estranging the girl from a lot of society. This can affect her career, social love, romantic life, already-existing relationships with people, and more.

– How strong is she; is she just stronger than the average girl, or is she like the next She-Hulk (One must note that a woman can be rather bulky in the muscle department and not too strong in stories – her muscles purely for show – or be super-strong without looking like she is – like Wonder Woman)? If she’s super-strong, this could, once again, be a double-edged sword. On one hand, she could battle foes more easily and lift heavy obstructions (Which is helpful in both emergencies, like rescueing someone trapped under a lot of debris or hefting a boulder that blocks her path, or in non-emergency situations, such as lifting that car that parked in her spot, or picking up the fridge to clean the hard-to-reach place beneath it). On the other hand, she might not know her own strength, and might crush, smash, squash, break, destroy, obliterate, or annihilate things – or people – by mistake. Similarly, one must question the degree to which she can control her strength; it’s possible that she can shift from super-strong mode to gentle mode at will, and thus can reap the benefits of super-strength without the downsides.

– How tall is she; is she of average height, or is she able to look down at NBA players? Often, muscle-girls get taller in fictitious stories, making her big all around. Getting super-tall can be a major pain when it comes to fitting inside houses and cars or under limbo sticks. Being super-tall may be unneccessary if she’s strong enough. Height can be rather intimidating to foes, though, regardless of muscle-size. Of course, intimidation has its bad side, too, as stated previously.

– How fast is her muscle-growth; has she grown steadily over a period of months, like most bodybuilders, or quicker than normal, over a period of days, hours, minutes, or even seconds? The longer it takes, the more time the girl has to adjust to her body’s changes. If she changes too quickly, she might become scared, horrified, or angry. On the other hand, she might enjoy the changes happening to her, the feeling as she gets bigger and bigger, as her body fills with energy. If it’s over a period of months, though, odds are she’ll have little trouble with it, as most likely she’s working toward a goal of bigger muscles in such a storyline.

– Does the spell/ray/potion/etc. that transformed her have any side effects that influence the girl’s mind? The girl’s regular personality may not affect her attitude on her situation if whatever transformed her has a DIRECT effect or her mind. Generally, in storylines where a girl’s attitude is magically or scientifically changed, the girl can become power-mad, enraged, primal (Acting more like an animal than a person), sex-crazed (Possibly even becoming bisexual), evil, narcissistic, or dumb (Like the old "dumb jock" stereotype… although with women, dumb jocks very well be less common. Athletic activity raises a person’s testosterone level. If a guy has a LOT more testosterone than estrogen or if a girl has a LOT more estrogen than testosterone [Basically if a guy is a especially masculine or a girl is especially feminine], he/she is more likely to have lower mental abilities, whereas the closer a person is to having equal amounts of the two hormones, the smarter a person is [Which is why stereotypical nerds aren’t usually very masculine or feminine… of course there’s a lot of other factors that influence intelligence other than hormones], so technically a muscle-girl should be SMARTER than the average girl.)

[AlexG]

I tend to lose interest in growth scenarios if the female becomes ridiculously large or powerful.

Hunter, I’m just curious here, but given your interests in FMG and GTS your statement caught my attention. Just what would you exactly define as "ridiculously large or powerful" within this/these genre(s)?

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Hunter S Creek]

Well, AlexG, that is certainly a fair question. I am sincerely flattered that you took the time to ask me. 🙂

The answer may be as simple as the fact that I am not truly a member of the FMG or GTS genre in the eyes of many.

As you know, some see the genre as a club from which those that are not true believers should be shunned or criticized or expelled.

I’ve actually been "scolded" many times over the years for not being true to either genre. As a point of information, I’ve also been criticized by many in the BE community because I tend to lose interest there too if breast size becomes ridiculously large. An example with which you are familiar — I enjoy giantess.com but I tend to keep a low profile there. I’ve stopped posting art and stories there because I was criticized a bit too harshly too many times. I’ll never understand people who go out of their way to criticize the creators of things that are essentially "free".

The less simple answer to your question is that — it depends. I do not have a predetermined, quanitative, cut-off in mind when I look at a picture or read a story. It depends on what the artist or writer does or doesn’t do with the characters that primarily determines if and where the point is at which I lose interest.

I’m sure that you have read a story, for example, where the plot is barely an aside to graphic descriptions of sex or stomping or swallowing or pummeling. That is fine if that is your primary interest, but it is not mine. A well written story, with decent character development can hold my attention almost regardless of the relative sizes and strengths and other characteristics of the characters.

The exception is graphic violence. This is where most authors immediately lose my interest. However, I do not intend to sound critical. A lack of interest for something on my part is not meant to be criticism: to each his own. I do not wish to be injured or killed. I do not want to see others injured or killed. I do not want to read about others being injured or killed. I do not want to see or read about senseless destruction. My experience with the GTS and FMG genres is that most stories and pictures that feature women over 20-feet-or-so tall or women who are able to toss a car, invariably cause mayhem, injury, and death: accidentally or purposefully. In the hands of many authors, those characters are usually simply too big or too strong to interact with others without causing problems. And, IMHO, if they are not interacting with others, then there is really no story anyway. I suppose you could say that it is at that point that I would consider a given author’s character to be "ridiculously large or powerful".

Having said all of that, I do hasten to mention that I appreciate many of your works!

Tschuss!

Hunter

[Axel3.14]

You have brought up some sage points, Hunter. Furthermore, I used to read some extremely violent stories. but once you look past the meretricious bloodfests, they become tedious.

I used to read stories at the Valkyrie, but I kept running into chaff like "The Face-punching Rampage of Megababe Musclebutt- Chapter 3.901 EE24 ". This is not to slight the worthwhile stories and their authors, but in the end a work of literature with an excogitated theme beneath the unusally large female will probably receive more readership than a pandemonium of pain and paraphilia.

[AlexG]

Well, AlexG, that is certainly a fair question. I am sincerely flattered that you took the time to ask me. 🙂

Hey, that’s what the forum’s all about – or at least this portion of it . . . 😉

(Besides, you’re a nick-famous individual – all right, I’m laying it on a bit thick, but its good to hear it, isn’t it?)

The answer may be as simple as the fact that I am not truly a member of the FMG or GTS genre in the eyes of many. As you know, some see the genre as a club from which those that are not true believers should be shunned or criticized or expelled.

I’ve actually been "scolded" many times over the years for not being true to either genre. As a point of information, I’ve also been criticized by many in the BE community because I tend to lose interest there too if breast size becomes ridiculously large.

Why you heretic . . . how dare you not enjoy Uber-boobs that require a wheelbarrow for support . . . 😉

I sort of figured it was something like that – reminds me of the ultra-extreme femuscle art. i.e. such as at Diana’s. Personally, I vastly prefer a muscular archetype built-up on the lines of the She-Hulk or Thundra (be it Titaness or Giantess in scale) – which probably comes out of my real-world interest in female bodybuilding and fitness. BTW – I’ve been just as accused in the past (in a good-natured way) of going for a more realistically plausible physique over that of an unbelievably-fantastically huge in character – i.e. dang, she’s so wide and top-heavy that if she bends over her wasp-waist will snap in two.

An example with which you are familiar — I enjoy giantess.com but I tend to keep a low profile there.

As do I – although, I prefer to involve myself with those topics that are (or can be) construed as areas of Amazonian interest when they come up – or as a pun-ful personage with a well-needed dose of humor to lighten-up the situation. Besides, given that the majority over there – or at least it seems that way on the public face of it – aren’t interested, I do my best to proselytize the concept to those who might be unexposed unbelievers, all in the hopes that their interest might be peaked. A sort of – you know, I never gave it any thought, having never been exposed to the concept, but I can see why some of those muscle gals are so attractive to a certain segment of the population.

Or as Tre Scott has said in the past, (paraphrasing) there are far more interested in them then most might think, but they’ll never say so in public – but in private they will. They’re just afraid of being laughed at by their friends.

I’ve stopped posting art and stories there because I was criticized a bit too harshly too many times. I’ll never understand people who go out of their way to criticize the creators of things that are essentially "free".

Same here – although, I don’t think I’ve ever been criticized, (if you don’t count that duel I had with Devoe a few years back) usually ignored without feedback commentary. The amount of free time/effort/labor of love I might put into a collage (or a She-Hulk montage) is better off being poured into a story, which is primarily why I’ve stopped posting any materials over there.

A well written story, with decent character development can hold my attention almost regardless of the relative sizes and strengths and other characteristics of the characters.

I’ve always felt that it’s the story itself, with a thoughtful plot line and related character development that can hold your interest is the primary course – while the TF segment (and intercourse scene – if one is used) should be treated as the dessert portion of a well rounded out story. Otherwise, its just like cotton candy – looks great, tastes fine, but in the end it leaves you left unfulfilled – emotionally, as much as intellectually.

The exception is graphic violence. This is where most authors immediately lose my interest. However, I do not intend to sound critical. A lack of interest for something on my part is not meant to be criticism: to each his own. I do not wish to be injured or killed. I do not want to see others injured or killed. I do not want to read about others being injured or killed. I do not want to see or read about senseless destruction. My experience with the GTS and FMG genres is that most stories and pictures that feature women over 20-feet-or-so tall or women who are able to toss a car, invariably cause mayhem, injury, and death: accidentally or purposefully. In the hands of many authors, those characters are usually simply too big or too strong to interact with others without causing problems. And, IMHO, if they are not interacting with others, then there is really no story anyway. I suppose you could say that it is at that point that I would consider a given author’s character to be "ridiculously large or powerful".

Descriptive violence to a point with a strong moral clarity of defining good vs evil, selflessness vs selfishness – as within a superheroic / heroine motif is fine by me. Again, I understand where you’re coming from and no disagreement from me about it – we’re very much on the same side of the street about that aspect of a story line. The type of senseless carnage without any sense of right and wrong – wallowing in it out of a base nature of self-indulgent powerlust never has had any attraction for me.

Some might say that Mega growth would qualtify as the inability to interact with those of normal stature. Usually when I’ve used that concept in the past, it’s set within certain contexts and constraints – usually of a supernatural manner – i.e. Gods and Goddesses.

Having said all of that, I do hasten to mention that I appreciate many of your works!

Such blazon adoration will get you – anywhere . . . thank you, very much. 🙂

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Anonymous]

Well, AlexG, that is certainly a fair question. I am sincerely flattered that you took the time to ask me. 🙂

The answer may be as simple as the fact that I am not truly a member of the FMG or GTS genre in the eyes of many.

As you know, some see the genre as a club from which those that are not true believers should be shunned or criticized or expelled.

I’ve actually been "scolded" many times over the years for not being true to either genre. As a point of information, I’ve also been criticized by many in the BE community because I tend to lose interest there too if breast size becomes ridiculously large. An example with which you are familiar — I enjoy giantess.com but I tend to keep a low profile there. I’ve stopped posting art and stories there because I was criticized a bit too harshly too many times. I’ll never understand people who go out of their way to criticize the creators of things that are essentially "free".

The less simple answer to your question is that — it depends. I do not have a predetermined, quanitative, cut-off in mind when I look at a picture or read a story. It depends on what the artist or writer does or doesn’t do with the characters that primarily determines if and where the point is at which I lose interest.

I’m sure that you have read a story, for example, where the plot is barely an aside to graphic descriptions of sex or stomping or swallowing or pummeling. That is fine if that is your primary interest, but it is not mine. A well written story, with decent character development can hold my attention almost regardless of the relative sizes and strengths and other characteristics of the characters.

as AlexG puts it, you ar my type of heretic.

grow them, whatever it is girls, boobs, biceps… but you’ll loose me as a reader when they(girls, boobs, biceps…) can’t fit into a house that’s ok with me if a 60 pages story ends at the 8th page.

[Lingster]

It’s kinda funny that I am the one running this bulletin board, because I’m almost completely oblivious to the topography of the TF-fetish categories. I remember, and I suspect Hunter does as well, the disputes back in the mid-90s about whether the old BE-Buddies email listserv was just for inflation fetishists ("Balloon Buddies"), or a wider array of growth and other fetishes. To me, that always seemed a bit nutty.

If you don’t like something, don’t read it. There are FMG artists whose work I don’t care for – but I don’t make a habit of telling anybody. Inflation doesn’t do anything for me, nor does android stuff, nor does anthropomorphic stuff, most GTS stuff, etc. But I’m not going to complain about it if someone posts any of it here – in fact I want the GTS stuff here. Excluding quality content because it’s not exactly on-topic is like arguing about how to organize books in an empty library.

So post away. If someone has a reasonably on-topic, compelling fetish group they want me to host, let me know and I’ll do it. The only thing I’m opposed to are things that could land me in legal trouble – so no kiddie-focused stuff.

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