[AlexG]

As rendered by Robby Brand via AMG-Lite

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“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[cpbell0033944]

WOW 😮 ;D
She's yet another drool-worthy Amazon Goddess brought to my attention by having joined Amaz0ns!  She's going to have to join my list of Goddesses.  Let's see now..
Cindy Phillips (still my favourite 8))
Ms. Machine
Jody May
Roxie Rain
Nikki Fuller
Sarah Dunlap
Trina Gillis
Johanna Dejager
Jessica Biel
Valerie Waugaman…
and now Heidrun! ;D

[AlexG]

Well, I still have an abiding fondness for the two Denises of the '90, Denise Rutkowski and especially Denise Hoshor, of which I wish she's drop the figure-fitness and return to bodybuilding, as a physique format it really fits her structure (which was meant to grow) far better.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Lingster]

Robby's a lucky bastard.

[cpbell0033944]

AlexG – I have seen footage on Youtube and photos elsewhere of Denise Rutkowski (quite a lot of it of mixed wrestling in which she completely overwhelms the schmoe), and her physique certainly impresses.  My only qualm, though, is that her voice seemed very deep.  I hope I don't offend anyone by asking this question, but do you know if she was known to "juice", as I understand its called?  I certainly don't mean to offend,  :-[  I'm still learning and am not yet sure that I can tell from watching video footage whether an fbb was using steroids or not, although she was certainly attractive and feminine-looking, so I'm hoping not.  Thing is, steroid use, for me personally, is a big turn-off.  She certainly seemed to have a genuine, warm personality, though, so she definitely must be considered to be up there in amongst the greats, but I'd just like to hear from those who know better than I do that she was "natural" (or as close to it as makes no difference), and I'll certainly put her in my list (perhaps a new "Golden Oldie Goddesses" list is needed!? ::)

[AlexG]

Within the community its known as being on – or – using – gear.    Not to break anyones idealistic outlook on the real world of physique focused athletics but I seriously doubt that any of those we enjoy these days (and I'm speaking of those at the semi-pro / pro-levels) is not using gear to some degree or another.  As for natural, I don't think there's been any such animal since the days of Rachel McLish back in the early 80's – and by the time of Cory Everson the shift towards bio-chemical enhancements was moving towards full gear (no pun intended) in no small measure due to the shock-impact of Bev Francis entering onto the FBBing stage.

As for deepness of voice, its not really a reliable indicator of use, some women are inherently husky in tone – and as a counter point anyone whose heard Kim Chivesky speak (given her uberhugeness of size at the time as MsO in the 90's) can't help but wonder if the girlish-normal tone of her voice was real or Memorex.

If you really want to get into the pros / cons of gear – using vs non-using – there's an excellent treatise on the subject over at the MuscleMayhem forums written by NPChicka in the Women's Chemical Warfare (I'm not making this up) section.

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/

My own opinion on the subject is rather mixed, on one hand I accept the fact that reality is things as they are, not as we might wish them to be otherwise – therefore I understand that these women (and men, too, for that matter) have to do what they must do in order to remain competitive and achieve their lofty goals.  On the other hand, I would prefer a more natural (there's that pesky word again) route insofar as physique athletics are concerned – Human nature and the drive of ambition being what it is, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[cpbell0033944]

Wow Alex – I've now read a couple of her treatises, and my eyes have been opened VERY wide.

a./ I didn't know steroids were illegal in the US.  I don't know whether they are here unless prescribed by a GP (Medical Practitioner, I think, is the US term closest to a General Practitioner), but it would make sense if they were.

b./ I had heard of many of the side-effects, particularly those to do with androgenic changes (am I using OK terminology?), but some did catch me by surprise.

c./ Are you inferring, by saying:

Not to break anyones idealistic outlook on the real world of physique focused athletics but I seriously doubt that any of those we enjoy these days (and I'm speaking of those at the semi-pro / pro-levels) is not using gear to some degree or another.

that even a competitor in a "Natural" contest who is known for being drug-free actually possibly (or probably) does use steroids to a degree?  Wouldn't that violate the point of the competition itself?

d./ Without being clever enough to wait for your reply to this message :-[ ::), it seems to be as though we're not dealing with black & white, but rather with a spectrum of infinitesimal shades of grey, leaving each one of us that enjoys female muscle to decide where on that spectrum we draw the line of what we find attractive based on the effects on appearance in each individual case.  In other words, some FBBs whose photos I've seen look to my inexperienced eyes to be geared-up to their foreheads, whereas I find someone like Becca Swanson, Jill Mils etc., to still be feminine although I can't say that I find either lady gets me drooling and thinking "Wow, what a babe" in the same way as a Cindy Phillips, Jody May or Trina Gillis, or for that matter the aforementioned Ms. Sigurdardottir 😉

Fair comment?

[cpbell0033944]

OK, I've now just finished reading the post "Syringe Madness" and I get what the writer is trying to say. Having seen some photos of competitions where the ladies looked 'odd' to my inexperienced eyes, I now know what I was seeing – quick-fix"chemical" muscle – the result of a certain amount of laziness and too much gear too quickly.  Strangely it also seemed to be those ladies that looked the most square-jawed that had this "plasticine muscles stuck randomly and awkwardly on a stick figure" appearance…
All of this reminds me about one of the first websites that told me that muscular women seemed to me to be very attractive; namely Stacey Rae's Blog (to find it, go into blogger.com and type a search for "Her Muscle Fetish).  She, as a working wife and mother took around 2 years to go from a plump, out-of shape 29-year old to a strong, muscled, sexy 31-year old.  Although I can't guarantee she didn't take steroids, the fact that every twist and turn of her journey was chronicled by her in agonising (and very humourous) detail suggests not.  The end result is that she is now working training people in the gym that she works-out in, and, more relevant to this discussion, she has full, curvy, mature-looking muscles that fit her frame and make her one very sexy lady.  She, actually, should be added to my "Goddesses" list, although she is a legend only for a relatively few loyal blog-readers (myself included) and her family.

OK.. here goes ;D ::):

cpbell0033944's personal Goddess list:
Cindy Phillips (still my favourite )
Ms. Machine
Jody May
Roxie Rain
Nikki Fuller
Sarah Dunlap
Trina Gillis
Johanna Dejager
Jessica Biel
Valerie Waugaman
Heidrun Sigurdardottir
Stacey"(Her Muscle Fetish" Rae.

[AlexG]

Say what  😮 – you left off the wondrous woman [glow=red,2,300]Britt Miller[/glow]

. . . you'll have to turn in your amazonian admiration badge.   😉

On another note, more of the lovely Heidrun can be found on this site (you'll have to register a nick and password, tho)

http://www.search-female-physique.com/4images/categories.php?cat_id=63

And her blog page, assuming that you can read Icelandic . . . some nice pics posted there, too.  8)

http://www.blog.central.is/heidrun-fitness

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[cpbell0033944]

Sorry Alex – I know it's sacreligious to say this, but if I whisper it nobody else might hear ;D – Britt doesn't "do for me" what the others do, if you know what I mean (turns in badge with tear in eye :'()  She's definitely in my "physiques that I admire" range, but, somehow she's not quite in my Goddess/babe list.  To tell the truth, in some of her photos she looks a bit lantern-jawed to me.  As a more experienced fan of ladies with muscle, what would your views on her from a "geared" point of view be?
Sorry if my failure to rate Britt with the others, and questions about drugs etc. cause distress, but it's just my personal take on something that is very subjective anyway.
As far as Heidrun goes, if the first site you linked to is free, I might consider signing-up, so thanks for that.  Unfortunately, although I studied French to our British A-Level, which is from the ages of 16-18 (sorry, I don't know what the US equivalent qualification is) and German and Spanish at school to GCSE level (school-leaving qualification at 16), Icelandic wasn't one of the options! >:( 😀 ::)  I've visited her blog, and to me the words look utterly unpronounceable (and if you've studied German as well then you'll know that I'm not averse to grappling with lengthy, consonant-heavy words)!
Merry Christmas.

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