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November 17, 2008 at 1:58 am #74377GWHHParticipant
Anyone notice that the natural FBB and other FBB difference in size. The non-natural FBB are about 3 times bigger than the natural ones. God bless modern drugs!!
November 18, 2008 at 5:10 am #74378TC2ParticipantReview for the clip:
Well I'm pretty late in reviewing this clip, but better late than never right?
If anyone was expecting this clip to be a positive take on women's bodybuilding, sadly this is not the case.
The video tries its very best to remain neutral but the way they organized the interviews, clips, and specific soundbites that they wanted made bodybuilding seem very unappealing, unattractive, and worse yet a sort of mental disability. They had some impressive clips of Kristy Hawkins and Colette Nelson, but they didn't show any bodybuilders that would really appeal to the mainstream. Though muscular and powerful, I do not think Betty Viana is a good representation of a beautiful body builder.
They could have totally shown people like Cindy Phillips, Gina Davis, Lindsay Mullinazzi, Pauline Nordin and so on. So the fact that they didn't bother to seek these people out made it all the more telling of their intention to show that they didn't do enough research into female body building.
They just gave the cold hard facts, added a professor explaining that they have a problem like muscle dysmorphia, hinted at steroids, and didn't make a hard enough attempt to show a balance perspective of the pros and cons.
This is definitely not a video you would want to show your girlfriend, if you wanted her to understand your fascination with female muscle.
November 18, 2008 at 7:20 am #74379TolanParticipantI agree… it's not overly negative like most clips usually are, but it's not very positive either. And that Muscle Dysmorphia is total bs… IF they look at themselves and think that they're small….they think they're small against other bodybuilders… they know that they're much larger than the average person…. it's all relative…
Thanks for posting it for us to see.
November 18, 2008 at 7:29 pm #74380cpbell0033944ParticipantI agree… it's not overly negative like most clips usually are, but it's not very positive either. And that Muscle Dysmorphia is total bs… IF they look at themselves and think that they're small….they think they're small against other bodybuilders… they know that they're much larger than the average person…. it's all relative…
Thanks for posting it for us to see.
Well, I'm not going to decry the possible existence of muscle dysmorphia, because I haven't studies psychiatry and performed research into the BBing community like the guy in the clip has. I would suggest it's all down to presentation, balance and context – suggesting that his findings are true of most/all FBBers, only showing large FBBers (I'm not complaining about Kristy being featured because she's a favourite of mine, but the point is still valid) and generally setting a negative tone, as though the producers had decided the conclusions of the programme before they started filming.
November 23, 2008 at 2:40 am #74381Prophet TenebraeParticipantThat's how documentaries are made these day, old chap.
People don't engage in fact finding – they start with the opinion "FBBs are in some way defective individuals" and then build a case to substantiate it. Which is – as it turns out – a lot easier than actually making a balanced and insightful piece. Also, tends to be rather more popular. People are scared by a lack of knee jerk/shock documentaries… because then they aren't sure what they're being told to be afraid of.
In conclusion – people are rubbish and TV executives like to exploit that.
November 24, 2008 at 2:18 am #74382cpbell0033944ParticipantThat's how documentaries are made these day, old chap.
People don't engage in fact finding – they start with the opinion "FBBs are in some way defective individuals" and then build a case to substantiate it. Which is – as it turns out – a lot easier than actually making a balanced and insightful piece. Also, tends to be rather more popular. People are scared by a lack of knee jerk/shock documentaries… because then they aren't sure what they're being told to be afraid of.
In conclusion – people are rubbish and TV executives like to exploit that.
Well-argued indeed.
November 24, 2008 at 8:02 am #74383TheMKFBParticipantpeople are rubbish
Hu? Context included; think of what you just said.
January 9, 2009 at 2:03 am #74384groovieParticipantValid points regarding the Shock-Doc. The truth of the matter for me is.. "muscle dysmorphia" is not a mental illness. For the right person,It's a gift.
January 13, 2009 at 5:38 am #74385Prophet TenebraeParticipantHu? Context included; think of what you just said.
That I find humanity to be a less than appealing species? It's a fairly normal view for an avowed misanthrope.
Muscle Dysmorphia… I think that is pretty much borne of the notion that deviation from societal norms is the product of some mental illness or cognitive malfunction. Therapists want your money.
January 13, 2009 at 8:53 am #74386the fell batParticipantBut surely some norms do exist for a reason and muscle dysmorphia does result in very serious problems in some cases.
I mean, yes to girls who gym, yes to girls who are fitter and healthier than the average unhealthy one, yes to girls with attractive muscles that the rest of society turns their nose up at, yes to sthenolagnics (is that the term? no idea) like us who appreciate such women… but NO to women who become too obsessed with building up muscle to the point of doing all kinds of unhealthy things to themselves!
To defend certain kinds of extreme behaviour by pointing at some societal attitudinal bogeyman is almost like how those obese women you have over there in America go around stupidly campaigning for their "right" to be obese. Whether or not you win the "right" to do silly things to yourself is not the point — the point is that you're dying because of it!
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