[Michael Pouliot]

What have you written and why?

The Iocane Effect

Tailored to my own tastes.  Written because I wanted to try my hand at it.  Shared because I wanted to contribute to the community I participate in.

And I haven't written anything else because it is too time consuming and I have other priorities.

[stmercy2020]

Oddly, I remember reading that story.  And I remember thinking that it was pretty good, too, although the ending seemed a bit… abrupt?

People don't produce fetish content for anyone's pleasure but their own.

So- you produced this solely for your own pleasure?  Really?

And I have to wonder if you might not have written more if you'd chosen a forum that was more likely to garner you responses- such as here or on deviant Art- because I can certainly understand not wanting to continue writing if you don't get any attaboys or, even worse, if you don't get any responses whatsoever.

I was fortunate enough that my first few stories did receive approval and even some accolades.  And, yes, that has certainly influenced me to keep writing.  I suppose a point ought to be cleared up- I realize that the genre I write in is highly sexualized, but I think you would be hard pressed to call the majority of what I write fetish or porn.

I'm trying to decide why it is that your posts have so irritated me.  I think it is because it seems as if you've lumped all authors in the FMG/GTS genre as, necessarily, fetish and hard-core porn writers, whether that was your intention or not, and, further, then gone on to assign all of us identical and base motivations.  Perhaps you were trying to be funny and it just fell flat, or perhaps you hadn't realized that you worded your post so strongly- I don't know- but saying that "People don't produce fetish content for anyone's pleasure but their own." is a lot like saying- in fact, semantically the same as saying- "No people produce fetish content for anyone's pleasure but their own."  The problem with that statement is that your previous posts lump all the writers in the FMG/GTS genre in with fetish writers and don't allow for the possibility that some of the writers may not, in fact, be writing with that specific style or goal in mind.

Was that your intention?  Or did I misinterpret your posts entirely?

[Michael Pouliot]

Oddly, I remember reading that story.  And I remember thinking that it was pretty good, too, although the ending seemed a bit… abrupt?

It's very abrupt.  Endings are hard.  Just ask Stephen King, who sucks at it.

The problem with that statement is that your previous posts lump all the writers in the FMG/GTS genre in with fetish writers and don't allow for the possibility that some of the writers may not, in fact, be writing with that specific style or goal in mind.

In pretty much all situations there are outliers.  There are no absolutes.  That's something I expect to be generally assumed.

It is not at all common in this genre for people to solicit requests with the intention of primarily pleasing the solicitor.  That's shown by the content available vs. the near absence of solicitation on forums such as this.  Oh sure, there's plenty of people that ask for stuff, but how often are these requests satisfied, particularly when they deviate (there's that word again) significantly from the tastes of the artist?  Unpaid artists create work for their own pleasure.  Part of this pleasure may include positive feedback from others.  But it is only the outlier who will create something that deviates from their own tastes simply for the satisfaction of another.

Note that this group of outliers does not include those who derive a greater pleasure from satisfying others over satisfying themselves.  These artists are also creating primarily for their own pleasure, although the derivative source of their pleasure is the satisfaction of others.  These artists are less common, but they still fall under my categorization of create for personal pleasure.

[stmercy2020]

It's very abrupt.  Endings are hard.  Just ask Stephen King, who sucks at it.

Lol.  I've thought that on more than one occasion.  Lois Lowry, too, in a completely different genre, and innumerable others.  The criticism was well-intentioned; it's what I do for a living.

I grant you that, by that definition, all writing (and not just fetish writing) is done for the pleasure of the author.  I find true altruism just about impossible to fathom.  On the other hand, if you expand your definition of pleasure-as-motivation, than it becomes essentially meaningless.  Pleasure can reasonably be extended as the motivation for any and all human activities.

[Robert McNay]

Ah. I'm seeing a trend here.

The elders/well-known folks are against it.

The n00bs are all "get over it, it satisfies a fetish".

Well, unfortunately, not everyone's into FMG/GTS with blatant sexual overtones. I know I'm not. If the main character ends up having sex, so be it….but I don't want to hear about her "heaving breasts and throbbing clit". That's just gross.

*shrugs*

Maybe I'm a prude. I don't know. But I'm not down on all the XXX rated stuff in these stories…..and this is coming from someone with XXX in her name.

Ms. Pixxxie, can I ask a clarification?

Are you objecting to a story having a sexual content? Or the nature of that content (heaving, throbbing, thrusting whatever, etc)? What is your feeling if a writer attempts it on a tasteful level that emphasizes the passion/pleasure, rather than the act or mechanics of it?

[Lingster]

I think she's just a wee bit annoyed that so many stories lately have such significant sexual content.

[cwmoss]

I'm sorry Pixxxie but I have to weigh in with the low brow here. Though I'm getting rather old and have been hanging around FMG, Amazon and GTS sites since 1998 or before I still can't get enough of a "good" sexy female growth story.

I like you have trouble finding stories that I like to read but for greatly different reasons. I would guess that I really enjoy only one post in about five or more pages of posts on this forum. Mostly I think because I have a rather narrow range of acceptance in my tastes in this kind of thing.

I appreciate your feeling of disgust for most of the content that you encounter and even I find many things distasteful in my singular quest for "something good".

I have always greatly valued your presence and participation here (most respectfully) and am willing to concede a great deal to make you feel welcome.

But. LOL

I have some trouble understanding why anyone would seek female growth fiction for other than erotic fantasy. I truly don't want to offend anyone here and you have a great many posters who agree with you but don't you all read this stuff for some erotic/sexual end?

No matter how mundane and non sexual isn’t it that one or two good stories that set you in your next encounter to reach into yourself and find it in your partner that point that makes your ankles and knees shake 'till in the morning you find your boots off but the laces still tied?

Now I can only apologize to everyone for the depth of my depravity. And wonder what horrors my children will find when my virtual life becomes exposed?

Because it will, as Lingster said the fear of many writers that their family will discover their online egos has lead them to abandon or sugar coat their writings.

Ya, that’s a bitch but I don’t feel I have a lot to be ashamed about. I'm not talking little girls here. And I do like lightly kinky stuff and I do hope my kids sex is more grounded in reality but for some strange reason I've been like this since I was eleven and I like it.

But this weekend the Lesbian Parade is dancing down downtown in front of all the children with some really strange acts involved and that’s OK so I don't think my little proclivity for taller women with a budge in her arm is quite a scandal.

I like:
izdubarr
ratlaf
Wachsende !!
Hi-Standard
crazyfck !!!!
And of course the great and unstoppable marknew742 !!!!
Morpheus !!!
Amazonfan

Some other great lowbrow stuff:
Ristard McSean – Wordprocesser of the Gods
Berkhart – Too Much Honey?
Logan – The Tube By Double
DarinSatre – The Ocean's Not So Big
Alexander Germain – THE MOON MAIDEN
GTortoiSe – The Investigation of Caley Prentice
BPJ – The Crush
Merritstone – The Happiest Birthday
Amazonfan – Inch by Inch
Nemo – It Happened in Iowa
miniMAXI – Annette
littlejoe – Busty Becky

And on and on…

Good luck Pixxxie

I only hope this further opens dialog on the subject.

An everyday lecherous old man that embarrasses the family

[AlexG]

Take a look at JimmyDimples's work.  Look at some of the older Lingster stuff.  Heck, look at Scoundrel's work.  The variety of sexualized situations certainly exists, but it isn't always expressed in visceral, feel the throbbing members, taste the salt detail.  Sex can be as graphic or as subtle as the author feels is appropriate for the story.

I would have pointed to Hi-Standard as an example of the best story telling at its best, but that just me.

The main problem, if it IS a problem, is that there seems to be a real decline in well-written stories of a less (note I don't day non-) sexualized nature.  There's simply not a whole lot out there you could safely read at, say, work or around your kids, or even at home with your partner unless your partner is extremely open, and that's kind of a shame.  Once again- just my opinion on the matter.  I'm nothing if not equivocal.

I've thought on this for a long while now.  My own opinion is that (at least in last decade or so) there's been a general decline in people reading for pleasure, period.  If you aren't exposed to reading books (including literature) at early age, you most likely will never cultivate an interest in doing so later on in life.

As for story creation – essentially, you have want to read before you can write and in order to want to write there has to be underlying incentive (emotional or otherwise) to fill-in a niche that you perceive to be lacking in a genre that strongly holds your interest.  That so many are drawn to crafting and posting short-shorts that are primarily a form of auto-erotica doesn't come as much of a surprise to me, since most of them are young (and horny) males seeking to fulfill a fantasy need.

So- you produced this solely for your own pleasure?  Really?

Now, I don't know if you're stating the obvious or are just being sarcastic?  In point of fact, I think this is a truism for most in the on-line environment.  After all, with one glaring exception that comes to my mind (Panther w/ EL Publications) none of us (none of us, that is, that will publically admit to the fact) are getting paid for our work.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Hunter S Creek]

One point that needs to be emphasized is the difference between what is produced, what is posted for free consumption, and where that material is posted.

I heartily agree with those who argued above that non-professional folks primarily produce material that is to their own taste.   
However, which of those materials becomes posted for free, where it becomes posted, and why it becomes posted is usually influenced by the perception of demand (of course ego can certainly play a role in this).

I for one only post a small percentage of what I produce. 
Why?  Because there seems to be little demand for what I produce.  That's fine.  It does not at all discourage me from producing but it certainly does not encourage me to post more than I do.

Tschuss!
Hunter

[AlexG]

I for one only post a small percentage of what I produce. 
Why?  Because there seems to be little demand for what I produce.  That's fine.  It does not at all discourage me from producing but it certainly does not encourage me to post more than I do.

Tschuss!
Hunter

I'd have to say I also fall into that camp.

Truth is, it's kinda hard to want to post a novella that takes five or six months time to produce and involves a power couple fending off a rampaging GTS when you know that the overwhelming majority of the audience is looking for the next Amazon strenght and/or FMG story.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

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