[JimmyDimples]

On the issue of production, posting free for the public, and where:

I have to admit, I had (well, still have) dreams of actually letting my writing make it into a published book, a TV show, or a movie one day.  And when I started writing on the internet, it was strictly for fun. 

And a confession:  when I got hooked into the big girl subgenre, started reading around, and I saw all the raw, unsavory, raunchy stuff out there, I thought to myself, "I can do better than that."  And I took it as a purpose and point to write my stuff to be entertaining, engaging… and as ready to bypass the censors and MPAA ratings folks as possible.

Because while I enjoy you guys a lot… I don't want my work to stay in the forums and our webpages forever. 

And that made me think… why isn't the muscular buff female more accepted in the mainstream?  I know there's a mix of reasons, but I think a big one is that most of the stories are just erotic one-shots. 

This has been clawing away at my heart for a while:  if Ms. Buff is going to be accepted in the mainstream world, it'd help if she's shown behaving acceptably.  To do stuff that you can show your kids, the neighborhood pastor, or the school English class.  You've got to get her out of the four walls of the bedroom and into that big outside world.

Otherwise… we're always going to have this little pleasure all to ourselves.  :-

[Deadly Pixxxie]

Ms. Pixxxie, can I ask a clarification?

Are you objecting to a story having a sexual content? Or the nature of that content (heaving, throbbing, thrusting whatever, etc)? What is your feeling if a writer attempts it on a tasteful level that emphasizes the passion/pleasure, rather than the act or mechanics of it?

It's the vulgar and tasteless way they go about it that bothers me. And the increasing amount of content that's popping up.

I have some trouble understanding why anyone would seek female growth fiction for other than erotic fantasy. I truly don't want to offend anyone here and you have a great many posters who agree with you but don't you all read this stuff for some erotic/sexual end?

To be honest, no, I don't.  🙁

And your post was a bit on the mocking side, but…whatever.

[TC2]

I have some trouble understanding why anyone would seek female growth fiction for other than erotic fantasy. I truly don't want to offend anyone here and you have a great many posters who agree with you but don't you all read this stuff for some erotic/sexual end?

I meant to respond to this earlier, Pixxie quote reminded me to address that.

I actually do -not- read storeis for the erotic/sexual end and I will tell you why.  Why would I read a story about female muscle growth to get a rise out of it, when I can simply draw a picture or create an animation to do that for me?  After all I'd much rather prefer to SEE the process happen, rather than have it described to me.  For me that's more satisfying visually, so why read about it?

So when I actually take the time to read a lengthy story, which is really hard to get me to do in the first place.  I'm looking for the content, sometimes people's reviews of the story convince me to give it a read, sometimes just the title of it alone is enough to suck me in.  But once I read that first sentence, if I continue reading then that's it I'm going to the end, unless there is a horrific pacing issue and suddenly I lose interest.

But I'm not reading it for the erotic pleasure of it, I'm just reading because I'm hoping to see a compelling story that I could visualize in my mind.  Obviously once the character transforms I will be excited about it, but I'm not reading it for that.  I'm reading it because it's a story I'm interested, has themes I like, and just has my interest.  Not because I want to be saluted by the soldier.

In fact, I've come to notice that for me the animations and the stories are less about the excitement and more about the compelling characters and extraordinary circumstances they face.  I -used- to do it for the excitement all the time, but as I got older and stayed with the community longer; it suddenly wasn't as much of a priority anymore.  Was more of a bonus rather than an objective.

Sure you put a picture of a muscular women in front of me, or a well written FMG story in front of me that special aspect will always appear.  But unlike everyone else, the motive is not there; it's more about wanting to read a quality story than to have some sort of self gratification.

But as it is now, just getting me to read something is a challenge in of itself, but it must have been a pretty good story if you got me to read it.  Even better if you got me to comment on it!

[AlexG]

I have some trouble understanding why anyone would seek female growth fiction for other than erotic fantasy. I truly don't want to offend anyone here and you have a great many posters who agree with you but don't you all read this stuff for some erotic/sexual end?

I see someone else beside me picked up on this as well – tho, in my case for another reason, the writing of.  And no, I'm not at all offended, you've raised a valid point that I feel requires an answer.

Not necessarily is what you say true, at least in my case, since I'm not tied down to writing erotica, but rather a broader form of fiction, which might or might not include a sex scene.  Throughout my stories I've ranged the gambit from no gratuitous sexual content at all to that of what I did in "The Moon Maiden."  It really depends upon what moral / immoral point I'm trying to convey within the context of the story line about the indevidual in question – does it add to the character development or does such devolve it.  Sometimes it's no more then sparks of romantic interest amidst the action – i.e. "Paradigm Shift" – or I might use classic a fade to black interlude, leaving it up to the reader to decide what happened between the characters.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Deadly Pixxxie]

I'm just reading because I'm hoping to see a compelling story that I could visualize in my mind.  Obviously once the character transforms I will be excited about it, but I'm not reading it for that.  I'm reading it because it's a story I'm interested, has themes I like, and just has my interest.

That's pretty much my sentiment….except I prefer to read it & have it described to me….as opposed to look at a picture or animation…but that's me.

[cwmoss]

And your post was a bit on the mocking side, but…whatever.

Sorry it wasn't meant to be mocking. I seem to be getting harder to tolerate as I get older.

I just was truly wondering if people read these stories for a non-sexual reason and point out that I have to read through a great deal of stuff that I find distasteful to find something I enjoy which I believe is an inescapable nature of this kind of thing.

I also believe having women on the board that are willing to speak up, comment on things and post what’s on their mind is of a very high value.

[Lingster]

I seem to be getting harder to tolerate as I get older.

I'm the same way.  I'm in the process of leaving a job, and my boss told me that my "interpersonal skills really need work."  To which I responded that "No, my interpersonal skills are excellent.  It's my tolerance for other people that sucks."  He gave me a hard look, laughed and said, "Well, OK, that's probably true."

[Deadly Pixxxie]

I'm the same way.  I'm in the process of leaving a job, and my boss told me that my "interpersonal skills really need work."  To which I responded that "No, my interpersonal skills are excellent.  It's my tolerance for other people that sucks."  He gave me a hard look, laughed and said, "Well, OK, that's probably true."

😀

Try being a teacher and having "questionable interpersonal skills".

It makes getting tenure VERY hard.

[demented20]

I should have known that this thread was going to become a monster… I have to say that most people have made valid points.

The more I thought about it the more I realized that its not so much sex itself that's the problem. Sex is a part of life, and good sex is a bonus, and good fictional sex is too. I have become a lot less critical when it comes to content that people post on the net for free. Usually its just some guy or gal punching out something in their spare time. Its not going to be Dickens or Poe.

That said, sometimes I read a story and it makes me a little uncomfortable. Its like reading someone's personal fantasy. That just lets me know that you never know what the person next to you is thinking about when they have that far away look on their face. If a person wants to describe in graphic detail what they think about in the dark, far be it from me to protest. I just don't have to read it if I don't want to.

There is a separate problem of diversity in storytelling. This is a problem in all genre's not just FMG. Sometimes it feels that its the same story and only the main character's name changes.
Sometimes you just have to hunt to find something that's really good. The best tomato is not always the one on the top.

Reward it how?  More "Great job!" posts?  Bah.  People don't produce fetish content for anyone's pleasure but their own. 

That can't be further from the truth. I can take this one personally. In my opinion, a good story has to be crafted. Its part of the fun of writing it. A good FM/G or erotic story has to be crafted too, and with the target audience in mind. And let me say that there are few things as nice as someone telling you that they like the work that took time to craft, because that person not only took time to read whatever it was that you wrote, they also took their time to send you a message about it. Those comments help in crafting the next story and so on. One really well thought out and real comment can be reward enough to make me want to write another chapter, because it sure as hell isn't the money.

[Hunter S Creek]

Reward it how?  More "Great job!" posts?  Bah.  People don't produce fetish content for anyone's pleasure but their own. 

True.  Amateurs ultimately don't produce content for anyone but themselves.  However, they will post/contribute/share such content when/where there is a perception of interest: even if that interest is only expressed as a few "Great job!" posts.

Tschuss!
Hunter

Sorry if this was a bit of a rehash of my lengthier, previous post.

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