[Holiday]

Are you sure that isn’t Betsy Russell? :woohoo:

phenoms wrote:

In a trailer for the upcoming movie Saw 3D is a very attractive looking actress with muscles. Screen capture below. I have tried to identify her via imdb but of the 2 actresses that looked like possibles, neither came even close in muscularity (Betsy Russell and Rebecca Marshall). The scene looks like it is special for just the trailer and promos and I am doubting that it will be shown in the film itself. Can anyone identify who the muscular actress pictured below is?

And I am aware that imdb identifies her as Rebecca Marshall in a photo, but they also mixed up which character it is. The caption says character Jill Tuck, but Rebecca Marshall plays Suzanne.

Phenoms

:woohoo:

[BodybyBane]

maxfarias wrote:

She is Cornelia Brandt.

What pic are you referring to?

[Trash Boat]

BlackKusanagi wrote:

Researched it. It is Michi.

I didn’t notice this answer until now, thanks!

[phenoms]

Holiday wrote:

Are you sure that isn’t Betsy Russell?

No, I’m not sure.

Based on facial characteristics, particularly the way that the eyebrows are sculpted, my hope had been that it was Betsy Russell. But I just cannot find any photographs of Betsy showing her arms that depict enough muscularity to support that correlation. I did a Google image search this time before replying, and the difference in muscle is just too great. The only way it could be Betsy is if all the pictures I am finding were at least 1 – 2 years prior to her filming Saw 3D and that she had since hired a personal trainer and been lifting hard and heavy for the whole 1 – 2 years. We all know that the level of muscularity seen on the actress in the screen capture means shes a gym rat.

It is within the realm of the possible that it could be Betsy given the scenario I describe above. But it is not as likely that it is in the realm of the probable.

I’d need verifiable photos of Betsy with enough muscle size and tone to say it was her. Maybe the movie will somehow show scenes which reveal who the actress is. But for now, I’m still not convinced and consider it unresolved and unknown.

Check out 3 pictures of Betsy showing her exposed arms at angles that would have confirmed it to be her… but instead suggest that it is not. See the link below…

http://img818.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=betshyrussell.jpg

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[TC2]

Okay I don’t know what happened to my post but, I believe you guys are correct and that it is Betsy Russell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Russell

Look at the teeth between the two photos and you will see that they match. Wikipedia also confirmed that it was Betsy Russell.

However, I do have to remind you guys not to be deceived by muscularity on arms that are outstretched. Any woman who is not fat, that stretches out her arms will look like she has biceps. My girlfriend doesn’t lift weights, but when she stretches or puts her arms behind her head, I can see muscle definition on her arms.

But yes, it has to be Betsy because the two photos match up pretty well. Always try to match up the teeth if you can, that’s why they go for dental records! 😀

[phenoms]

the_collector_2 wrote:

Okay I don’t know what happened to my post but, I believe you guys are correct and that it is Betsy Russell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Russell

Look at the teeth between the two photos and you will see that they match. Wikipedia also confirmed that it was Betsy Russell.

However, I do have to remind you guys not to be deceived by muscularity on arms that are outstretched. Any woman who is not fat, that stretches out her arms will look like she has biceps. My girlfriend doesn’t lift weights, but when she stretches or puts her arms behind her head, I can see muscle definition on her arms.

But yes, it has to be Betsy because the two photos match up pretty well. Always try to match up the teeth if you can, that’s why they go for dental records! 😀

TC2,

A few low resolution photographs are hardly adequate for forensic dental identification. While I admit that I did not look at the teeth, I looked at many other characteristics. While nothing was conclusive in my mind, Betsy Russell does appear a good match until I compare muscle size and muscle tone.

Your argument for arm angle just isn’t strong enough. I didn’t just start looking at musculature yesterday.

You’ve always been a well reasoned person and held others to a high standard of argumentation. I am doing the same now.

It would be easy to dismiss it as being Betsy Russell and move on. If it turns out to in fact be Betsy then I will be impressed and will want more pictures that show off her muscle.

But as it stands now, I am not seeing adequately reasoned explanations nor am I seeing irrefutable photographic evidence.

You claim that Wikipedia confirms it is her. Where? I mean *precisely* where? I viewed the article and found nothing there that was not already on imdb. I have already stated that she is a cast member in the movie. The question is not if Betsy Russell is in the movie, the question is what actress is pictured in the screen capture.

I hate gore-for-gore “horror” movies, but I may just need to go suffer through Saw 3D in an effort to learn the answer to my question…. which I don’t expect to pan out since I still doubt that they will have that scene in the actual movie. I’m pretty sure they filmed it just for the teasers and trailers.

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[TC2]

Dude…

I didn’t just look at the photo and go “OKAY THAT’S HER”. Look at the facts and the list. You want something more conclusive? All right let’s use logic for once.

This is the Saw 3d article on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_3D

This is the picture you guys are comparing:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4308/saw3dmuscle1.png

This is Betsy Russell:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russell,_Betsy_%282007%29.jpg

Let’s go back to the wiki article.

Look at the cast list and how many females are listed on there? Now let’s look at IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477076/fullcredits#cast

Let’s click on VIEW FULL CAST LIST.

Almost every single female actress on that list has a headshot posted in that profile. Do you see ANY women on that list that look like the photograph we’re comparing to? I looked at the list very carefully and not one of the women listed besides Betsy Russell matches the description.

Also I use Windows Magnifier to get a closer look at the photos, they are practically identical. We know that the woman is not an Extra is the movie, why? Because extra’s never get close ups of their face. So this woman has to be a principal or supporting role.

Now, I’m not trying to brush off your knowledge of female muscle, but I will tell you that the arms in the comparison photo and the ones on wiki CAN be the same exact arms.

Do not mistake a camera close up to give the illusion of muscle. A good example of this is the horrible movie Anaconda’s 2 which made it seem like the blonde woman character had biceps, when in reality it was just the camera catching a flex.

Also do not forget that they images could be touched up either as a still in photoshop, or for the movie itself. It is obviously not impossible to ‘touch up’ certain scenes to make a character look a bit more in shape than they actually are.

OR an even more likely scenario.

It is also entirely possible that they used a body double and put Betsy’s head over the body double.

I color correct the image, added some brightness, and removed the green. Tell me that is not Betsy.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4308/saw3dmuscle1.png

Now, there could be hundreds of reasons why her arms look muscular. Either she decided to lift some weights knowing she was going to be in 3d, or she got body doubles. EITHER WAY… there is no denying that the woman in this photo is Betsy Russell.

Can’t give you much more proof than that.

Oh and I forgot to add this, a full body shot of that same photo:

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/20763/_1285122783.jpg

Considering that in wiki she is listed as Jigsaw’s Ex-Wife and they’re using that photo for promotional reasons. All signs point to that person being a principal character and not a supporting character. Like I said before, movies will never use a still of an Extra for their promotional items.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm918324736/nm0751018

Another picture, her arms looks thin enough that it can show off the striations.

When the movie comes out I would be willing to be $100 dollars that it’s her.

Okay my last edit:

http://www.youtube.com/user/LionsgateLIVE?v=sVe5BIcF-tw&feature=pyv&ad=4889772956&kw=saw

Trailer 2A, you can pause and look at her more closely. Your honor, the defense rests.

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[FlakBait]

So I checked the rule book and this has now exceeded far too much thought and effort for something posted on the internets 😛

[AlexG]

FlakBait wrote:

So I checked the rule book and this has now exceeded far too much thought and effort for something posted on the internets 😛

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Trash Boat]

I read all that. Almost made me cry.

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