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October 16, 2010 at 11:02 pm #96217
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Participantthe_collector_2 wrote:
Dude…
I didn’t just look at the photo and go “OKAY THAT’S HER”. Look at the facts and the list. You want something more conclusive? All right let’s use logic for once.
This is the Saw 3d article on Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_3D
This is the picture you guys are comparing:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4308/saw3dmuscle1.png
This is Betsy Russell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Russell,_Betsy_%282007%29.jpg
Let’s go back to the wiki article.
Look at the cast list and how many females are listed on there? Now let’s look at IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477076/fullcredits#cast
Let’s click on VIEW FULL CAST LIST.
Almost every single female actress on that list has a headshot posted in that profile. Do you see ANY women on that list that look like the photograph we’re comparing to? I looked at the list very carefully and not one of the women listed besides Betsy Russell matches the description.
Also I use Windows Magnifier to get a closer look at the photos, they are practically identical. We know that the woman is not an Extra is the movie, why? Because extra’s never get close ups of their face. So this woman has to be a principal or supporting role.
Now, I’m not trying to brush off your knowledge of female muscle, but I will tell you that the arms in the comparison photo and the ones on wiki CAN be the same exact arms.
Do not mistake a camera close up to give the illusion of muscle. A good example of this is the horrible movie Anaconda’s 2 which made it seem like the blonde woman character had biceps, when in reality it was just the camera catching a flex.
Also do not forget that they images could be touched up either as a still in photoshop, or for the movie itself. It is obviously not impossible to ‘touch up’ certain scenes to make a character look a bit more in shape than they actually are.
OR an even more likely scenario.
It is also entirely possible that they used a body double and put Betsy’s head over the body double.
I color correct the image, added some brightness, and removed the green. Tell me that is not Betsy.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4308/saw3dmuscle1.png
Now, there could be hundreds of reasons why her arms look muscular. Either she decided to lift some weights knowing she was going to be in 3d, or she got body doubles. EITHER WAY… there is no denying that the woman in this photo is Betsy Russell.
Can’t give you much more proof than that.
Oh and I forgot to add this, a full body shot of that same photo:
http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/20763/_1285122783.jpg
Considering that in wiki she is listed as Jigsaw’s Ex-Wife and they’re using that photo for promotional reasons. All signs point to that person being a principal character and not a supporting character. Like I said before, movies will never use a still of an Extra for their promotional items.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm918324736/nm0751018
Another picture, her arms looks thin enough that it can show off the striations.
When the movie comes out I would be willing to be $100 dollars that it’s her.
Okay my last edit:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LionsgateLIVE?v=sVe5BIcF-tw&feature=pyv&ad=4889772956&kw=saw
Trailer 2A, you can pause and look at her more closely. Your honor, the defense rests.
“Let’s use logic for once.” Tsk tsk. Now I know you know better than to presume that I am one devoid of logic.
This is a post more worthy of the level I am accustomed to from you. Sorry to prod you into it, but it yielded the sort of quality post I know you are capable of.
While I am tempted to counter your weaker points, the objective here is identification of the actress in the screen capture.
After I made my post yesterday I looked again at my Google image search and found photographic proof to confirm that the actress is Betsy…
http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_47175/betsy-russell/lookbook
Scroll down to
It says “Actress Betsy Russell attends the Rock Star Suite Party with The Hollywood Reporter and Yowie.com held at Float at the Hard Rock Hotel San Diego on July 23, 2010 in San Diego, California.”
The photo is current and while the arm appears much the same physical size as a photo above it from 2008, there is a clear difference in muscle tone and her bf% is lower which means more of the size is muscle than fat.
I found some other photos that also appeared to be current and in support, but this was the only one with a date. I would have liked to see some current photos with her in a state of flex, but the video the screen capture is from is probably all I can hope for.
Now on to a few points I can’t resist countering 😛 …
You mention “illusion of muscle”. Seriously? Look at the picture again “dude”.
Also do not forget that they images could be touched up either as a still in photoshop, or for the movie itself. It is obviously not impossible to ‘touch up’ certain scenes to make a character look a bit more in shape than they actually are.
I took the screen capture myself from one of the trailers on youtube. I did not photoshop it, not even to color correct it (thanks for doing that). My PC with photoshop on it has been down for the past month till I get around to getting a new video card for it.
The exact youtube video was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg0go2b3ekY
At the 18 second mark. Not as high resolution as the trailers you linked to, but spends more time on the scene of interest.She is clearly tugging at the chains resulting in a flex of Isometric contraction.
The body double idea doesn’t add up. Popular media still generally frowns on femuscle.
I looked up Anacondas 2 aka Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid. Ironic that the cast included Salli Richardson-Whitfield who is known to be muscular, particularly after that scene she had in Eureka showing off her abdominals.
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www.thevalkyrie.com/picthumb/p/phenom_fett/index00.htmOctober 17, 2010 at 12:50 am #96219TC2
ParticipantWell either way you owe me 100 bucks for getting it right regardless. 😛
October 17, 2010 at 5:19 am #96224phenoms
Participantthe_collector_2 wrote:
Well either way you owe me 100 bucks for getting it right regardless. 😛
Yup, you got it right.
the_collector_2 wrote:
When the movie comes out I would be willing to be $100 dollars that it’s her.
Let’s exercise more logic, shall we? (That’s a rhetorical question by the way to which the answer is “Yes.”) Namely some good ‘ol semantics!
You said *when* the movie comes out… its not out yet… you *would* be willing to bet…
All you had to say was: “I bet you $100 that when the movie comes out that the actress you are asking about is Betsy Russell.”
Of course I’d still need to accept your bet. Otherwise I would be the richest man in the world. How? Observe…
“I bet all the billionaires and multi-billionaires in the world that if they all give me outright, all their money, assets, and legal profitable holdings, that I would be the richest man in the world that is not subject to blind bets by others seeking to attain my wealth through similar tactics as this bet.”
On your premise that a bet is automatically accepted upon declaration by the originator of the bet, I must be pretty stinkin’ rich right now… too bad your semantics didn’t hold up to basic scrutiny… I apparently could have afforded to pay up.
On that note…
“I bet The_Collector_2 $1000 that he won’t be challenging my logical prowess anytime soon except in an attempt to win this bet by doing so, which this statement hereby nullifies!”
Mwaaaaaha ha ha haaaaaahhhh!!!
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www.thevalkyrie.com/picthumb/p/phenom_fett/index00.htmOctober 17, 2010 at 7:31 am #96226BlackKusanagi
ParticipantFFF WILL THIS BATTLE EVER END?!!!
October 17, 2010 at 7:36 am #96227TC2
ParticipantIt ended when I proved that it was Betsy. I don’t know what he’s going on about, but this already ended in my book.
October 17, 2010 at 8:08 am #96229FlakBait
KeymasterBlackKusanagi wrote:
FFF WILL THIS BATTLE EVER END?!!!
:silly:November 4, 2010 at 5:43 pm #96700Essey
ParticipantNovember 4, 2010 at 7:35 pm #96703Tolan
ParticipantNovember 6, 2010 at 3:36 am #96739Essey
ParticipantYou sure it’s mindi? it doesn’t look like her to me…
November 7, 2010 at 1:30 pm #96764phenoms
ParticipantEssey wrote:
You sure it’s mindi? it doesn’t look like her to me…
Ditto. Me Neither. Mindy looks all around different, is much more muscular, and started young which means this could not be an earlier picture.
Something about her arm looks off too. Like it’s been photoshopped. My first thought was that its a frankensteined pic. But then her fist and back (muscle thru mesh) made me reconsider. But the bicep does not appear countered by the tricep and the tricep is small by comparison. Also, the forearm looks blurry and smudged.
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