[Fett]

Guys – try to calm it down a little. The guy has a different opinion. Since whenever we go elsewhere and voice our opinion and get offended if someone shouts us down, we shouldn't do it to the others.

There's nothing out of line and I know you don't mean offence, but this could easily devolve into flaming, so I'm being preemptive. 🙂

[fbbfan]

For the record the guy that responded to my comment and left that "Body of a Boy" line, is I guess entitled to his opinion, I suppose.  I am surprised to hear something like that in this forum.

I still think that Shawna is very sexy, and she is a true beauty.

I would love to be with a woman like that, she is hot.

[TC2]

I am a very big breast fan, I always love large breasts on a woman whether they are natural or fake, doesn't matter to me I find them very attractive.

With that said,

Not once did Shawna's lack of boobage come to mind, her attractive face and bulging arms have managed to distract me enough that the lack of chest area is not a bad thing at all.

She does not have the body of a boy, if you want to see someone with the body of a boy look up Renne Tonney or Collete Guimond.  Compared to them Shawna is definitely all woman.

[Lupus14]

Wow, I never thought that voicing my own taste and opinion would cause such harsh reactions. Why don't you just delete all my comments in this thread and we can behave as if nothing ever happened — sort of like children.
I don't like when people try to put words and meanings into my mouth, so they have a reason to fall into outrage. I never said she was ugly. On the contrary – "She has a gorgeous, feminine face". So pardon me that I hold on to my view that a woman should not only have an attractive face, but also some curves (example: Joanna Thomas, M. Dettwiller, C. Nelson etc.)

if you want to see someone with the body of a boy look up Renne Tonney or Collete Guimond.  Compared to them Shawna is definitely all woman.

Risking to by lynched I dare to say, that they hardly qualify as woman anymore. Ugly as hell (faces).

You may now proceed with deleting all my comments.

Good day Gents.

[TC2]

Risking to by lynched I dare to say, that they hardly qualify as woman anymore. Ugly as hell (faces).

Uh… that was the point I was trying to make.

[cpbell0033944]

Might I take this opportunity to apologise to Lupus for my reaction? 
As for deleting the comments; that's just silly.  This thread serves as a salutory lesson to us all.  To delete portions of it would be to bury our heads in the sand.

To clarify my position:  I have no argument with Lupus with regards his right to voice his opinion.  As a liberal I support that right.  Neither do I have any beef with what I think he's trying to say. My disagreement comes in how he expressed himself.  I'm sorry, Lupus, but your words were clumsy and ill-considered.  I am a blunt speaker, but, on a forum such as this, I temper my words and use diplomacy.  You should have done the same. 

*Dons pro-feminist hat*

During the period of time between completing my undergraduate degree and commencing postgraduate study, I stumbled across a website called http://www.heartless-bitches.com.  It is a community, predominantly female, that rejects stereotyped gender roles and esposes independent, strong-minded womanhood.  It fascinated me to read member's testimony of why they joined the site and the beliefs they had.  It inspired me to use the internet to teach myself about feminism and gender.  On doing so, I discovered an interest in body issues and the way in which women's bodies are politicised.  I'd like, if I may, to post a thread on the "Free For All" board summariing what I learned and why it affects my beliefs today, but the relevance to this discussion is that women are bombarded with messages on how they should and shouldn't look.  Young women are aiming for a body-type that is biologically unattainable to the vast majority of them; that is the body of a Nicole Ritchie or Keira Knightley.  If they fail to have this body, they feel as though they are inferior, weak-willed or pathetic.  It is fucking heart-breaking to read.

My point is that, by denouncing an FBB as havimg the body of a boy, Lupus is contributing to the chorus of pressure on women.  It is unhelpful, uncalled-for and undiplomatic.  Yes, Lingster is right to say re: Isabelle Turell that FBBers should realise that their appearance will generate negative reaction.  If a curvy girl feels that she is a failure because she is unable to attain the skinny ideal, then an FBBer must be prepared to be treated more harshly by society.  Yet, being aware of this cannot make it any easier to deal with.  There have been posts by FBBrs which I have read with my own eyes where they talk of feeling pressure to stay in contest shape all the time.  They are also stared at, jeered at and criticised by people in public.  This site should be a safe haven for FBBers as well as their fans and supporters.  Constructive criticism is good; saying that a particular FBBers' appearance is not to your liking is fine (I've said so myself many times); calling her boyish or, as Lupus described Joanna Thomas "she has an ugly, mannish voice" or, as he described Jana Linke-Sippl "amazing ugly face" is not acceptable. 

*Removes pro-feminist hat*

In all honesty, if someone were to ask me my unvarnished opionion of Marja Lehtonen, Lupus' favourite, FBBer, I would say that I found her facial appearance off-putting, though I like her physique, but would I describe her as "ugly" in the thread dedicated to her?  No.  In fact, in her thread, I stated that I did not find her the most beautiful of FBBers, but that there was something about her that compensated for that, making her one of the

"Muscle chicks I normally wouldn't be a fan of but something about them is hot"?  Like Kris, there's something about Marja, but I wouldn't put her up there with my top favourites. 

I later commented on her physique:

Mind-blowing!

which I feel is appropriate (because she is).

That's all.

[Prophet Tenebrae]

I think many of us are fans of large breasts, Lupus… but I don't imagine you'd stop by the BEA and go "Damn, you freaks all love huge – flat is beautiful!" and expect people to agree or turn the other cheek.

You weren't quite saying that… but your comments were somewhat inflammatory…

[AlexG]

I am watching from above, so play nice, people.  8)

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[cpbell0033944]

I am watching from above, so play nice, people.  8)

Is it chilly atop that mountain pinnacle, Alex? ;D 😉

[Lupus14]

Maybe you all missed the smiley in my original post. As to my "clumsy" and "ill-considered" words I might state, that English is not my native language and when reading stories and posts on this forum, I sometimes have to use an online dictionary.
I think I am a well mannered person and I try to avoid conflict. Thats one reason I stay away from political posts and keep my thoughts to myself. It is better to shut up than to get everyone upset about such issues.
But when people claim that I'm "inflammatory" because I voice my true opinion and taste, then with all due respect – such people are hypersensitive – to say the least. All I said was that if she had bigger breasts I would like her even more. That just a plain and simple opinion and I don't see how that is insulting to anyone on this forum.
I take the views and tastes of the other members on this forum as they are, even if I don't share or like them. I'm not insulted or offended by them. I don't want to convert them to my views and I'm not going to get a fit if someone disagrees with me. It simply doesn't bother me.
I also see no need for anyone to apologize for the things they said, because they have a right to their views as much as I have to mine.
Honestly – if any outsider reads this thread, he must think we really have no life than to get upset about such a non-issue.
I hope this is now settled and there is no further need to dwell on the matter. I will try to keep my mouth shut.

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