[AlexG]

Another related thread @ Muscle Mayhem.

Link: DEA Announces Largest Steroid Enforcement Action in U.S. History

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[00tree]

It’s been a long time since I've been able to post anything do to a computer virus eating my PC and I am hoping to get another soon. So here is my first post in a few months.

I honestly don't care one way or the other if roids are illegal I just want there to be a little consistency in how there delt with. Almost all pro sports are juiced but do the pick on the big named sports? (NFL, NBA, MLB) Not too often. The athletes of these sports are seen as heroes and roll models. I see this as absurd. Athletes of the before mentioned sports make more in a single year than most people do in a lifetime and flow from team to team with no loyalty to anything other than their bank account. They can also get away with many illegal actions that I won’t even get into on this thread.

Bodybuilding (especially the women) is seen as an unclean sport with a huge ego. Sports are about appearance and most people fail to remember that. You can’t tell me that the trash talking big leaguers aren’t worried about how people see them as they score a touch down / slam dunk / home run. There is a lot of show boating after any of these things accrue in an event. I could do without some of the trash talk but do I mind, no not really. It adds to the entertainment value of the event.

But…

If you’re going to treat one group of athletes as criminals for using and /or selling steroids treat them all that way not just the sports that aren’t mainstream.

My thoughts… if you don’t agree that’s fine you don’t have to.

[AlexG]

It’s been a long time since I've been able to post anything do to a computer virus eating my PC and I am hoping to get another soon. So here is my first post in a few months.

Welcome Sir 00tree, was wondering if extraterrestrial Amazons had abducted you – Mars Need Men!  😉

Sorry to hear about your computer, and looking forward to when you get your replacement up and running.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[Tonus]

Almost all pro sports are juiced but do the pick on the big named sports? (NFL, NBA, MLB) Not too often.

You can thank the sports management, media and fan followings for a lot of that, because they really do not want to deal with the issue.  There are different reasons at each level.

-Management knows that steroids can keep players on the field more often, helping them shake off the strain of a long season, and so they don't mind steroid/PED use (though their public statements are obviously very anti-steroid, since admitting their reasoning would be really bad PR).  Steroid use is probably still very widespread in the NFL in spite of testing.  PED use is probably still very widespread in MLB and other major sports in spite of the bad PR.  And that isn't even counting the excessive and dangerous use of stuff like painkillers to keep players on the field.

-The media has been critical of steroid use only in those cases where it has become public knowledge (Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod, for example).  But they act as if these are isolated cases, even though they *must* know that this is not the case.  Admitting what they really know would completely undermine their integrity and the moral platform from which they judge those players who are 'outed.'  So they protect the sports as a whole, and only speak out when someone's use is revealed.  Disgusting?  I certainly think so.

-Fans are more varied in their points of view, but many fans of a particular sport, team, or player will be less critical of steroid use when it's that sport or team or player in the cross-hairs.  Even someone as generally disliked as Barry Bonds has gotten a lot of support from fans and commentators.

I think that bodybuilding doesn't have that buffer, or at least at the same level.  For obvious reasons (both legal and marketing) the industry doesn't mention steroids or other PEDs very often, if at all.  And while bodybuilding and weight-lifting have become more common and accepted, many people still react negatively to heavily-muscled physiques.  Without more mainstream support, rumors and urban legends take root much more easily, and the sport and lifestyle can be demonized more easily as well.

That's my take on it, anyway.  Others may have differing (and probably more accurate) views of the matter.

[ant1937]

roids have to be illegal and it is plain and simple. It isn't fair to the guy or kid who doesn't want to use them. They make you able to perform better in any any strength orspeed sport and thereby must be illegal. You guys touched on the other things.

For bodybuilding I see no issue since they have natural and pro, but you must use if you are a pro. There is no big money in women's bodybuilding, so there is no huge stealing.

In sports like MLB it has changed guys from nothing into great players. The difference in skill is small enough that it makes a huge difference. Look a the olympics. They have it right.

That said….I like the way the girls look in some cases on roids…..long term it tends to kick their butt though.

You'll see more arrests I'm sure. Bodybuilders use so much and unlike major spots they don't have the money to buy unless they deal them in many cases. The stuff costs.

[nic2800]

My problem with the whole thing is public people like firefighters, teacher/coaches, pro sport players, and others that young people might look up to get caught all the time.

I really believe that once you become a figure that could be mentor level. You should think of more then yourself.

Oh well, thats a short version of my idea. I'll let this one rest now for my part.

[GWHH]

a great site

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/

[GWHH]

04/17/2009
Tulsa doctors juicing up Oklahoma pros Another IFBB name: Trudy Ireland-Kline
New details emerged in the Oklahoma steroids bust that netted an IFBB pro.  As often seen, doctors are involved in the distribution and use of the juice.

State drug agents are releasing more information about the arrests of an Oklahoma City firefighter and two Tulsa doctors in a steroid investigation.

Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Control spokesman Mark Woodward says 12 arrest warrants have been issued and five people are in custody.

Among those arrested are Oklahoma City firefighter Sherry Smith for using steroids, Tulsa Dr. Brad Stahlheber for possession of steroids and Tulsa Dr. Gary Lee for improperly prescribing steroids.

Woodward says those involved have ties to competitive bodybuilding.

He says several more people have been indicted on federal charges that are currently under seal and more arrests are expected.

This is not a good career move for a physician.  (the photo shows Dr. Stahlheber when he was a medical student at OSU Osteopathic school). 

It doesn't reflect well on a school to have a recent graduate arrested for illegal drugs.  However, most medical schools are lax in providing ethical guidance…often because the professors are lax in ethics (take a look at recent medical news of fabricated research results; trying not to be preachy about all this).

News 6 says that Dr. Lee developed quite a practice with juicing bodybuilders.

Dr. Brad Stahlheber was arrested at Muskogee Community Hospital where he works.  Agents say he admitted buying steroids over the Internet and using them for cosmetic reasons.

Dr. Gary Lee faces charges of writing more than 30 steroid prescriptions to a couple of  competitive bodybuilders and a power hitter on a national softball team.

And, in Oklahoma City, Darrell Terrell, an amateur bodybuilder who's been featured in national magazines and city firefighter Sherry Smith, both face charges after a search of their home turned up steroids and syringes

Darrell Terrell's (right) secret is now out: he juiced.

And yet one more nationally known bodybuilder who looks less that 'natural'.  According to her website, this bodybuilder is only 51.  She needed to lighten up on the dose!

A nationally recognized competitive bodybuilder from Tulsa, Trudy Ireland-Kline was out of state and promised to surrender when she returns.
Documents show she admitted using steroids, but said she quit because they were causing heart problems.

We don't believe Ms. Ireland had kicked the PED (steroids) habit at the time of this photo.  From her website Ms. Ireland talks about the elements of her success.  She forgot the part about anabolic steroids:

Above all else, I love weight training. I love the gym. I am proud to be more muscular and stronger than I've ever been in my life. Lifting heavy weights and watching my muscles grow bigger and stronger is the ultimate! My training philosophy is train hard, train heavy, eat clean and get big! I love the bodybuilding life style and have been living it for almost two decades.

Wasn't there someone to help this woman understand she was obviously over-doing the steroids?

[GWHH]

Look on the bright side about this steriod problem with sherry smith.  At least she did not flip out and kill a bunch of people than kill herself because of "roid rage"  Like pro-wrestlers do.  Ok that was dark humor-but its still funny and true.

[ant1937]

This operation is ongoing and involves many doctors and so called wellness centers. Those places are being closed down faster than car dealers or mortgage brokers.

I'm sure more bodybuilders will get nailed. States with friendly laws on doctor distrbution and enforcemetn like Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Cali, and several others tend to be where most of the arrests are. It isn't just roids, but they are a target. HGH and serostim are big targets as well. Plenty of name athletes will be involvedand have been, but most are not distributors and will get off easy.

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