[cpbell0033944]

Interestingly, tonus, I believ ethe legal position with respect to steroids in the UK is much the same as in the US.

As a scientist, I can't agree with those (sorry Ant) who say "No studies are needed – anaecdotal evidence shows us X."  Anaecdotal evidence here in the UK told parents that the combined measles/mumps/rubella vaccine gave several small children learning difficulties such as autism – this was exacerbated by a doctor who wrote the flawed and discredited paper that started the scare.  Huge, long-term, international studies have now shown no link at all.  The only legacy is that the level of vaccinated children in the UK is low enough to allow a measles epidemic – of course, measles isn't the worst disease possible, but it can kill, and certainly it's better to prevent it from happening. 
What I'm saying is that clinical studies are needed to determine the effects of verying types of PED on healthy and non-healthy individuals, both male and female, not only because the anaecdotal evidence is, as tonus says, contradictory, but because it is only anaecdotal.

[chris10000]

As a scientist, I can't agree with those (sorry Ant) who say "No studies are needed –

as a scientist you should know :
most steoids are found in the farmacy…every registered medicine has to pass the phases of tests.

there are more than enough studies on this topic to find.

[GWHH]

Any substance can be abused.  They had to change the propellant in whip cream cans a few years ago.  People was huffing the stuff and dying, left and right.  I know guys in High school that use to huff butone cans.  That was one of the crazies thing I have EVERY seen!

as a scientist you should know :
most steoids are found in the farmacy…every registered medicine has to pass the phases of tests.

there are more than enough studies on this topic to find.

[chris10000]

Any substance can be abused. 

even water can be deadly if you drink to much.

[GWHH]

very true

even water can be deadly if you drink to much.

[Trash Boat]

its simply to much money (not from the athletes) from sponsors , tv …sport is a big industry
sometimes they catch out a bauer restorative (somebody not important enough from a not so important country)like ben johnson (it was called he got caught for stanozonol…nobody could be this stupid, because stanzonol is out of the blood in one day)…
but if they would catch ALL users, who would watch a sprint of 11 seconds…nobody would watch any sports anymore..
the government needs this heros (like the gladiators in rome) to distract from real problems

I don't know how fast it gets out of blood, but quite many athletes have been stupid with it – others but themselves to to that shame twice.

I guess that 11 second sprint is sarcasm. Even here where we don't have talented people for that sport 15 year old kids run faster than that.

[chris10000]

dont count my on silly numbers…

my main message was that people are used to see enhanced atletes more than 60 years (1936)…if now in every sport the atlethes would be much weaker or slower than people have been used to watch before it would kill the whole sports industry…so therefore wether the olympic comitee nor the national sportsorganizations are really interested to stop doping..

sometimes somebody get catched to blow sand in the eyes of unknown viewers..

[Trash Boat]

Yeah I got your point, I just couldn't help grabbing that detail.

In weightlifting they have tried many times to clear the table on "false" records and reform the weight classes. I guess it's not a coinsidence that most of the men all-time records are done in the 80's or early 90's.

Olympic comitee got really embarrissing publicity when 11 Greek lifters got caught in suprice tests and then came the case with bulgarians.

But it seems to be impossible to eliminate performance-related drugs since the biochemists of sport and medical laboratories always have the upper hand; you have to know what you're searching for before you can make the test.

Popularity of track&field came down in the beginning of this century because sprint times were not that good. Now when they seem to better the world record many times every year, the popularity has rosen much. So it makes it diffucult for federations to decide what they want: big numbers and much viewers ($$$) – or olympic heroism and role models. I know that's just naive but on those ideals olympic idea is based on.

[ant1937]

As far aspro sports it is cheating and should be considered such. Wy should Ibe forced to take roids just to keep up? It becomes scince instead of equal ground. The problem even includes equipment in amateur sports.

As far as bbing I am completely fine with it. No big money in that. Sammy sosa isn't even a MLB player without cheating, let alone a a 15 mill player. Lots of guys just washed away.

I'm fine with it in small money sports. It should be like coke or herion imo. Kids should not be on that stuff. I have yet to hear an advocate for kids using except maybe the coach who has to win.

Look at TonyMandarich who came out with his roid story. He cheated a city. If bbers want to take it….what is the harm. It isn't likemany kids aspire to be bbers. That is a fall back for men in America. Women only have big money in tennis and golf.

[Trash Boat]

I have sometimes wondered, how is the doping testing in big north-american sports such as NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA and so on? I haven't got much information about those.

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