[cpbell0033944]

That stuff from GNS is not regulated at all and is made of god knows what!  And the long term side effects are unknow. 

I would suggest that, because there are many more people taking things like creatine than steroids, that side-effects would be better documented, not worse.

[Tonus]

It is regulated in that the FDA must certify that it is safe when used as directed and that any potential side effects are clearly noted on the label.  What is not regulated are claims as to what they do, which is why you often see their advertisements include disclaimers such as "these claims are not verified by the FDA," or words to that effect.

Therefore, it's not that the supplements sold at GNC are dangerous.  It's that they may not be anywhere near as effective as their manufacturers claim them to be.  But that is how many supplements are marketed, and they make lots of money with very shaky claims.  Look in any muscle magazine and you'll see a bodybuilder promoting a supplement, using "before-and-after" photos of the bodybuilder in off-season and contest shape.

[cpbell0033944]

It is regulated in that the FDA must certify that it is safe when used as directed and that any potential side effects are clearly noted on the label.  What is not regulated are claims as to what they do, which is why you often see their advertisements include disclaimers such as "these claims are not verified by the FDA," or words to that effect.

Therefore, it's not that the supplements sold at GNC are dangerous.  It's that they may not be anywhere near as effective as their manufacturers claim them to be.  But that is how many supplements are marketed, and they make lots of money with very shaky claims.  Look in any muscle magazine and you'll see a bodybuilder promoting a supplement, using "before-and-after" photos of the bodybuilder in off-season and contest shape.

Reminds me of BALCO.  In their case, it was:  Use the results from the steroids to promote the less-effective legal stuff.  Here, it's using the rsults probably gained from other people's steroids to promote the legal stuff.  Is there a regulator in the US who can admonish companies for making dubious claims?  In the UK, we have the Advertising Standards Agency, which investigates complaints in this sort of issue.  They're far from perfect, but they do seem to have rid us of the outrageous scam adverts we used to have in my parents' day.

[Tonus]

I am not sure if the FDA or the FCC would cover false or misleading claims in advertising.  I am pretty sure that the disclaimers being used are not sufficient to protect them from liability, should a consumer or consumers file suit for any reason.  It's an area I'm not very well informed about… yet. 🙂

[ant1937]

They have cleaned up the OTC stuff *ALOT* in the past 10 years. Many things are gone like ephedra and some testosterone boosters. Dhea and some things like that are atill around, but keto dhea isn't really a roid. I know the olympics outlaws it, but mainly just for testing purposes. Rogaine is outlawed too and an Aerican athlete was out in 04 for Rogaine use.

It isn't great here at alll, but it has improved. I take lots of supplements and you can distinguish between good and bad easily. I don't take the hormonal ones. I'm sure there is always something around. They try to sell junk on the net these days.The stores don't carry much any longer….at least not in the NY city area.

It has been cleaned up. Protein and creatine are your most common still. You can pay extra for super duper versions with nitrogen and all the claims they make.

[cpbell0033944]

WTF is nitrogen supposed to do? ???

[Tonus]

WTF is nitrogen supposed to do? ???

I'm not sure if this is what he is referring to, but I recall that several years ago there was a pretty big push to promote some NO2 products because it had been found that it helped the muscles stay 'pumped' for hours, even when the person in question hadn't worked out.  But aside from a couple of pamphlets and advertisements, I do not recall reading anything else about it.

Here is something that I suppose is relevant to the PED discussion.  Funny in some ways, sad in others: Event canceled after competitors flee

BRUSSELS — The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.

A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.

"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.

Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.

Cooman says the sport has a history of doping "and this incident didn't do its reputation any good."

During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.

[GWHH]

Supplments can cause problems also.  During the GUlf War II.  Soidlers was using thigns like ripped fuel to stay awake and pump up for days at a time during combat.  Even after they stop using it, they would have "epsiodes of rage and hallucations". 

[GWHH]

video of sherry looking huge and thick

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XEC6BCD1 in flv format

[GWHH]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E6QARITZ

same thing but in AVI format

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