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July 30, 2005 at 9:14 pm #11236David C. MatthewsParticipant
It looks like we are not going to see the big muscled She Hulk for a long time to come.
For some reason Marvel likes the trimmer/slimmer Jen.
Well, it's simple, isn't it? …a majority of comics fans are unwilling to accept (and sometimes can be downright hostile to) depictions of honestly muscular women*. (As is the public at large, as I'm sure we've all experienced to some degree or another, although fans of muscle-women do seem to form a somewhat larger percentage of comics fans than in the overall public.)
I still have this suspicion that Marvel wouldn't be doing a She-Hulk book at all except for persistent requests to do so from an active cadre of SH fans; Marvel probably feels that emphasizing Jen's muscularity "too much" would jeopardize sales on an already-marginal book. An understandable but very regrettable situation.
Makes one wish that Marvel would just release the rights to She-Hulk to the public on a sort of "open-source" style license, so that fans can produce their own art and stories (as Eegore is doing with his "She-Hulk of Earth 2" series without fear of being prosecuted for copyright and trademark infringement.
*I use the term "honestly muscular" as shorthand for "a woman who looks as powerful as she's portrayed to be."
July 31, 2005 at 2:24 am #11237ataru320ParticipantWho knows how or why Marvel wants their main muscular female to be so slim…but I guess its one of those comic things where all females, even the super-strong ones, have to look like models that just so happen to be lifting immense meteors before they smash into the planet! Even if they have some muscle, its only about fitness level…
Regardless, I still think that Slott is doing a good job on Shulkie no matter who the artist is. Sure the Bollibo art can be a tad freaky, but I still think he does a good Jen for one thing…can't quite place why, but I like his Jennifer Walters more than his Shulkie.
(BTW: I know its not Eegore's Shulkie or even Tet-chan, but if anyone wants to see a potentially huge Shulkie, check out my Midonna tale in the FMG section….)
July 31, 2005 at 3:24 am #11238David C. MatthewsParticipantWho knows how or why Marvel wants their main muscular female to be so slim…but I guess its one of those comic things where all females, even the super-strong ones, have to look like models that just so happen to be lifting immense meteors before they smash into the planet! Even if they have some muscle, its only about fitness level…
Yeah, I remember some years ago in the Comics Buyer's Guide, someone had written complaining about the (lack of) muscle on superheroines, noting especially the differences between Bruce Banner's and Jen Walter's transformations… paraphrasing here: Why is it that Bruce turns into a mass of muscle while Jennifer just goes from "willowy" to "voluptuous"?
BTW: ya might not want to make your "BTW" text too small… it degenerated into a mess of jaggy lines, and I had to read it in the quote for this post to understand what it said.
July 31, 2005 at 6:08 am #11239ataru320ParticipantYeah, I remember some years ago in the Comics Buyer's Guide, someone had written complaining about the (lack of) muscle on superheroines, noting especially the differences between Bruce Banner's and Jen Walter's transformations… paraphrasing here: Why is it that Bruce turns into a mass of muscle while Jennifer just goes from "willowy" to "voluptuous"?
BTW: ya might not want to make your "BTW" text too small… it degenerated into a mess of jaggy lines, and I had to read it in the quote for this post to understand what it said.
I think that when it comes to TFs, they find it easier to make a woman seem like she's changing by increasing her bust size…maybe a bit of hair growth or height change. It just seems more visually obvious to an average person than a woman that grows in musculature. Probably there's also the "women with muscles" stigmata in modern culture as being freakish..but the art on this board and the enthusiasm of all of us say otherwise.
Oh, and the BTW was just a story plug for a Shulkie thing I did on the FMG story board, nothing more. But thanks for the concern…I guess I'm still sort of shy about putting my stuff up here.
July 31, 2005 at 6:59 am #11240David C. MatthewsParticipantOh, and the BTW was just a story plug for a Shulkie thing I did on the FMG story board, nothing more. But thanks for the concern…I guess I'm still sort of shy about putting my stuff up here.
Don't be shy! Part of the fun of this board is letting the other members know when you've got new stuff to show off, and checking out the new stuff others want to show off. As long as you're not obnoxious about self-promotion, it's good!
July 31, 2005 at 7:00 am #11241DavidParticipantHmmmm. I remember writing one of those CBG letters back when I used buy it. The truly weird thing is Mightly Muscled She-Hulk was out selling in numbers and $$$ Spindley Spidergirl so the fans are there.
July 31, 2005 at 7:10 am #11242David C. MatthewsParticipantHmmmm. I remember writing one of those CBG letters back when I used buy it. The truly weird thing is Mightly Muscled She-Hulk was out selling in numbers and $$$ Spindley Spidergirl so the fans are there.
Yes, I do remember seing your name on a letter or two in the "Oh, So?" (letters) column, bemoaning the lack of muscle-women in comics. I don't know if it was one of your letters I was remembering but the phrase "from willowy to voluptuous" stuck in my mind, all these years later.
August 14, 2005 at 7:02 am #11243unearthlyParticipantmarvel is soliciting orders for a new, ongoing, She-Hulk series, starting in October. It will have the same creative team as the previous 12 issue mini, so expect the same superhero-lawyer stories.
August 14, 2005 at 7:13 am #11244grungykittenParticipantGood to hear. I'll probably pick this one up every month, instead of waiting for the trade paperback like I did with the miniseries.
August 14, 2005 at 3:31 pm #11245AlexGKeymastermarvel is soliciting orders for a new, ongoing, She-Hulk series, starting in October. It will have the same creative team as the previous 12 issue mini, so expect the same superhero-lawyer stories.
There's already a thread further down on the next page concerning the topic of solicitions for the next volume of the She-Hulk series. Please, next time check for this before starting another one, ok? 😎
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Update: I've merged the two threads.
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