[Lingster]

Reminds me of Reagan praising Springsteen as an American Hero because of Born in the USA when, in fact, the lyrics spoke of Springsteen's shame at how his country had treated Vietnam war veterans, something that I fully expect to be repeated once the Iraq war finally limps to its end.

Here's an example of the Left trying to have it both ways again.  Their Vietnam strategy was to undermine the war while labeling soldiers baby-killers, torturers, etc, and then they blamed Republicans and "the country" afterward because the vets were having a hard time.  Luckily this time we're on to it in advance, and it's not working.

[AlexG]

Here's an example of the Left trying to have it both ways again.  Their Vietnam strategy was to undermine the war while labeling soldiers baby-killers, torturers, etc, and then they blamed Republicans and "the country" afterward because the vets were having a hard time.  Luckily this time we're on to it in advance, and it's not working.

Verily, indeed!  8)

Something to keep in mind, remember hearing this rebroadcast many yrs ago, the sentiment expressed by him then is just as relevant now, maybe even more so.

Source: The Americans (1973) by Gordon Sinclair

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[cpbell0033944]

I wasn't born in the 1970s, let alone politically-aware, but count me as one Liberal who will not hear a bad word said about the motives of our armed forces (US or UK, it matters not).  I do not associate myself with those who call the military "baby-killers".  US troops were undoubtedly in highly-stressful, traumatic conditions both in Vietnam and Iraq.  I personally am convinced that they were sent there by their leaders for the wrong reasons.  It is against those politicians that I direct my anger, not the troops.  Please do not lump me in with extremists who said these things – you, Lingster, have a nasty habit of putting words into the mouths of those whose political views oppose your own.  >:(

All I know is that veterans were abandoned because the politicians didn't have the guts to admit to their mistakes and failings, so they swept them under the carpet.

[cpbell0033944]

Anyhow, as we seem to be entering the realm of ad hominem attacks against whole groups, let me observe that Lingster exhibited the typical right-wing tendency of supporting efforts to silence critics:

Luckily this time we're on to it in advance, and it's not working.

rather than addressing the core problem.  Why spend money helping the schmucks who enlisted when you can spend it discrediting your critics to prevent public discourse? ::)

[Lingster]

Anyhow, as we seem to be entering the realm of ad hominem attacks against whole groups, let me observe that Lingster exhibited the typical right-wing tendency of supporting efforts to silence critics:

rather than addressing the core problem.  Why spend money helping the schmucks who enlisted when you can spend it discrediting your critics to prevent public discourse? ::)

I'm the forum administrator.  If I wanted to silence critics here, I could actually silence them here. 

[The Muffin man]

Same reason Fox News brings on left/democratic guests: Because it has a lot less impact when you yell about how right you are to people who agree with you.

[cpbell0033944]

I'm the forum administrator.  If I wanted to silence critics here, I could actually silence them here. 

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear – I didn't mean "you" personally or our community, I was referring to conservatives generally when in governmental power.

[cpbell0033944]

Same reason Fox News brings on left/democratic guests: Because it has a lot less impact when you yell about how right you are to people who agree with you.

Like Bill O'Reilly when he has a liberal guest – asks them a question, lets them say about a sentence, shouts them down, trashes their argument without actually hearing what their argument is, asks another question…

WTF is the point in having a liberal guest and using that to call yourself "Fair and Balanced" when you give them around 0.5% of the platform when you do invite them?  You may as well just stand a few cardboard cut-outs of liberal commentors around the studio and claim that the fact that you're prepared to show likenesses of these people proves how "Fair and Balanced" you are.  It ain't fair or balanced unless representatives of all parts of the spectrum are allowed to argue their case without being shouted-down or insulted.  Fox News people know how to debate, I'm sure, but it isn't convenient to have a proper debate with a liberal, because, shock horror!  The liberal just might win the debate!

[Lingster]

#1 – In the U.S., it's lefties who pass speech codes and try to silence righties.  Happens on college campuses every day.  For the last twenty years or so (since lefties decided that 'being offended' was a human rights violation) conservatives have been the only reliable defenders of all of the first ten amendments of the U.S. Constitution, our "Bill of Rights".

#2 – Bill O'Reilly is neither a conservative nor even closely associated with the Republic Party.  He's just one guy who happens to be a loudmouth with a TV show.  If you think that's American conservatism, you're mistaken.  O'Reilly belongs on the right (not the same as being a 'conservative') only in the sense that he is a patriot, otherwise he's a preening egomaniac of no strong political principles.

[cpbell0033944]

#1 – In the U.S., it's lefties who pass speech codes and try to silence righties.  Happens on college campuses every day.  For the last twenty years or so (since lefties decided that 'being offended' was a human rights violation) conservatives have been the only reliable defenders of all of the first ten amendments of the U.S. Constitution, our "Bill of Rights".

#2 – Bill O'Reilly is neither a conservative nor even closely associated with the Republic Party.  He's just one guy who happens to be a loudmouth with a TV show.  If you think that's American conservatism, you're mistaken.  O'Reilly belongs on the right (not the same as being a 'conservative') only in the sense that he is a patriot, otherwise he's a preening egomaniac of no strong political principles.

1.  Just as you state that O'Reilly isn't representative of conservatives, so I would argue that those who quash free speech aren't true liberals, as a real liberal supports free speech.

2.  I always knew you had enough good taste to dislike O'Reilly. 😉  Question is, why do Fox employ him?  Purely as a TV equivalent of a Limbaugh-style shock jock?  Or do you think they think he represents those on the right?

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