[fbbfan]

Saw something about this last week over @ Unrealmuscle.

Link: http://www.unrealmuscle.com/forum/index.php?topic=12230.0

Seems Herbiceps has gone on a jihad about getting FBBr clips on YouTube removed.  As part of the collateral damage, some of the posters that did go to the trouble of asking permission from the original copyright owners have also had their materials yanked.

And Bill Jentz, according to HB, asked him to include his materials, too.

This is the reason my channel got yanked(FBBFANatik).  My personal contribution to fbb was posting massive amounts of FBB clips that once appeared on TV.  Yes, I was the original poster of the Denise Rutkowski video.  The majority of my clips were rare TV clips or interviews from shows that would highlight female muscle or amazons for a one time showing only.  I was lucky enough to have a VCR handy in most cases.

Should this footage be lost forever?  I wanted to share these stories in the hopes of promoting the idea of a muscular woman.  And I had many fans, alot of them were female, and were aspiring to be bodybuilders.

My trouble was that I had a few questionable clips, I had some montage tributes videos that had clips.  And that brought me to the attention of Mike from Her Biceps.  He admitted he was mistaken by claiming copyright on some of the clips ranging from ESPN, ABC, etc.  He apologized and actually offered me a chance to re-post some of the tribute vids again.  He was acting on many web sites behalf, but he messed up.  He inadvertently made it possibly for my channel to be suspended.

Nonetheless, I have started re-posting my channel again…with some new vids.  I have not had time to update on some of the other threads.

I know, I don't own the copyright on these vids, but I find it satisfying to help promote the idea of a tall strong female.

Here is my channel so far….

http://www.youtube.com/FBBFANatik3

[David]

The thing with the YouTube videos and WPW is they have a section where the videos are less than a minute long. People were downloading those and re-uploading them to YouTube. This gives very little incentive to join the site.
With YouTube I've been putting up clips now and then for Awefilms but these are edits or sometimes trailers. I need to put some more up. We've a lot of subscribers but we can't be sure how this translates to actual sales.
I report any video we didn't put up or ones that were put up without permission. We tend not to complain about reposts of trailers or montages but it all depends on the length of the cuts.

[startingstrength]

Uploading copyrighted videos can definitely work as publicity.

Except it seems that the dudes who upload these videos never, EVER state where they came from or where you can buy them.

[John]

Uploading copyrighted videos can definitely work as publicity.

Except it seems that the dudes who upload these videos never, EVER state where they came from or where you can buy them.

Google isn't that hard to use.  Besides, I think the real reason many don't post that info is because then they'd be admitting to Youtube that they are not copyright owners (which Youtube asks when you upload a vid).  Most viewers have the sense to know that a fan video poster isn't WPW or some other "major" producer.  Most of the stuff I posted on my channel, when I had one for that purpose, were small clips and many were free samples off of a site, and montages with many small clips put together.  I was just posting them on Youtube to enhance visibility of obscure Tina Lockwood clips, like the one where she is posing and being measured very early in her career.

Yeah, I get the point that a few entrepreneurs run the "schmotog" business, and not big money corps, but I still find "copyrighting" some classic FBB like Tina Lockwood or Cory Everson, for mere profit, just kind wrong in some ways.  Sure their photographic and videographic work should be appreciated and protected, but at the same time, these types of instances represent rare specimens in female muscular development.  Since the media capturing these bodily sculptures is limited to small e-businesses and rare (now extinct) ESPN show footage, the only instances of these "specimens" is via some form of copyrighted work.  You start to ask the question: what is being copyrighted, the pixels and film, or the athlete?  Can real people be copyrighted?  If the only way one has to see a classic FBB is through a copyrighted photo or video shoot, then the accessibility, at least by strict letter of the law, of that FBB's likeness is controlled by the photographer or videographer that shot the person.

The "this is a small niche business" argument can be used both ways.  The fact that a small few  control rights of the visibility of a small number of elite physique athletes and models is what I think it boils down to.  In Hollywood, in addition to movies, talk show appearances, and numerous publicity shoots, a star can be shot by paparazzi, as well as millions of fans that may happen to run into these stars on the street.  A typical A-List star has literally tens of thousands of video clips and photos  of themselves circulating, so that fans and anyone else can have a wide variety of outlets to turn to to access a certain individual's form and personality. 

As one who likes drawing muscular women, it is nice to find as many examples as I can find to use as a reference.  I don't go to shows or have a bunch of money to spend on paysites.  I usually have to find what I can here and there.  On the other hand, I have no immediate intention of charging for anything I make (partly because few would pay…), so at least I give something to schmoedom besides money. 

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