[Red_Silver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv6JiI9sWL8

I would like to hear peoples opinion on this.

[luvemhuge5699]

i say who cares what other people think.  if they want to be huge, let them be huge.  it is a sport and the judges have no right to punish them if they are too muscular.  isn'y that the reason to lift, to get bigger?

[cpbell0033944]

It's actually a more positive report than I think it first appears to be.  The reporter wasn't against female muscle per se, but was against the extremes of Pro FBBing at the time.  Unfotunately, they either willfully or accidentally blamed the level of muscularity for the decline in coverage and popularity, when it was actually mainly the huge levels of steroid abuse at Pro level that did it (and still does).

[BlackKusanagi]

We got the insano's at the IFBB to thank.

[TC2]

I have mixed feelings.

On one hand I do enjoy incredible levels of muscle mass and density,

But on the other hand I also enjoy the female form, sexy breasts, and feminine faces, feminine shape.

If the IFBB required women to turn into massive She-Hulks, then all women would have to get that huge.  Getting that large means sacrificing the other qualities of the female form that I enjoy.

Colette Guimond and Renne Tonney are good examples of so called "women" who have lost almost everything that is feminine.  Colette has a clitoris that dangles like a penis and pecs that look like a man's chest.

If the IFBB standard becamse such that women need to become as huge as them, well that may actually be enough to push me away; for me that's just too extreme.

Compared to the likes of Debi Lasweski, Cindy Phillips, Gina Davis, Britt Miller, Valentina Chepiga, Yaxeni Oriquen who are just simply gorgeous women with the right amounts of muscle, breast size, and female shape.  So though, I'm all for letting women grow as big as they want, I don't want that maximum size to be the standard that they get judged on.  Otherwise the girls I just listed would be forced to get bigger until they could be considered competitors, and I just don't think that would be very attractive.

[cpbell0033944]

I have mixed feelings.

On one hand I do enjoy incredible levels of muscle mass and density,

But on the other hand I also enjoy the female form, sexy breasts, and feminine faces, feminine shape.

If the IFBB required women to turn into massive She-Hulks, then all women would have to get that huge.  Getting that large means sacrificing the other qualities of the female form that I enjoy.

Colette Guimond and Renne Tonney are good examples of so called "women" who have lost almost everything that is feminine.  Colette has a clitoris that dangles like a penis and pecs that look like a man's chest.

If the IFBB standard becamse such that women need to become as huge as them, well that may actually be enough to push me away; for me that's just too extreme.

Compared to the likes of Debi Lasweski, Cindy Phillips, Gina Davis, Britt Miller, Valentina Chepiga, Yaxeni Oriquen who are just simply gorgeous women with the right amounts of muscle, breast size, and female shape.  So though, I'm all for letting women grow as big as they want, I don't want that maximum size to be the standard that they get judged on.  Otherwise the girls I just listed would be forced to get bigger until they could be considered competitors, and I just don't think that would be very attractive.

A very thought-provoking post.  You're bolder than I am in naming people specifically as having been affected! 😮
I have nothing against size as a concept.  Like you, my problem with the current state of affairs comes when the race for size and low, low bodyfat levels impinges on other aspects of the overall package.  I do try to remove my sexuality from this sort of discussion, but I did once research what the top men looked like and, after having a lie-down in a darkened room I decided that I found them very aesthetically disturbing and I realised why you don't hear women saying "You can keep Brad Pitt, Ronnie Coleman's the guy for me."  The only word that springs to mind is monsters, I'm afraid.

Am I really missing the point, or is BBing, unlike an objective test of sporting talent or athletic ability, actually the pursuit of an aesthetically-pleasing muscular form?  I can't reconcile that with the "size above all" mentality that appears to prevail.  To my mind, the men look almost deformed and many of the top women show disturbing levels of virilisation.  Again, it's not easy to keep that old chestnut of sexual atractiveness from the equation, but I can't see how someone who is almost to the stage of being biochemically transgendered is an ideal.  Neither the men nor women are ideal physical specimens, IMO, nor are they good role-models.  Bringing my sexual feelings back into the discussion, I cannot feel turned-on when a woman speaks with a gravelly voice deeper than my own, nor where her face has a disquiteting maleness about it, and certainly the sight of a competitor (whose identity I shall withold) whom I accidentally viewed recently with the aforementioned organ dangling and looking for all the world like a not-so-small penis is NOT something I enjoy.

I don't claim to know the answers, but I feel something has to be done.  One only has to view the comments in response to YouTube material of some top IFBB Pro women to see that people find such virilsation unpleasant.  Of course there are the cavemen who object to any material of any female with any level of musculature, but they are, fortunately, in the minority.  Many videos of Figure competitors and FBBers such as Johanna Dejager have almost totally positive comments.  Te difference is obvious; the IFBB contest-winner is simply not attractive in either a sexual or aesthetic way, whereas the Natural or unvirilised competitor almost always is.

[AlexG]

Excellent post TC2, couldn't have said it better – it's all about balance.  8)

FYI – beside Colette Guimond and Renne Tonney, for me the first one that comes to mind as a poster child of FBBing gone bad is Nicole Bass.

Long term using of gear will not do a body good.  >:(

I have mixed feelings.

On one hand I do enjoy incredible levels of muscle mass and density,

But on the other hand I also enjoy the female form, sexy breasts, and feminine faces, feminine shape.

If the IFBB required women to turn into massive She-Hulks, then all women would have to get that huge.  Getting that large means sacrificing the other qualities of the female form that I enjoy.

Colette Guimond and Renne Tonney are good examples of so called "women" who have lost almost everything that is feminine.  Colette has a clitoris that dangles like a penis and pecs that look like a man's chest.

If the IFBB standard becamse such that women need to become as huge as them, well that may actually be enough to push me away; for me that's just too extreme.

Compared to the likes of Debi Lasweski, Cindy Phillips, Gina Davis, Britt Miller, Valentina Chepiga, Yaxeni Oriquen who are just simply gorgeous women with the right amounts of muscle, breast size, and female shape.  So though, I'm all for letting women grow as big as they want, I don't want that maximum size to be the standard that they get judged on.  Otherwise the girls I just listed would be forced to get bigger until they could be considered competitors, and I just don't think that would be very attractive.

“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)

[cpbell0033944]

Excellent post TC2, couldn't have said it better – it's all about balance.  8)

FYI – beside Colette Guimond and Renne Tonney, for me the first one that comes to mind as a poster child of FBBing gone bad is Nicole Bass.

Long term using of gear will not do a body good.  >:(

I think the less said about Nicole Bass the better. 8)

[Robert McNay]

I agree with the opinions expressed in the video, but not just for women. Bodybuilding in general has gotten insane. It used to be about sculpting and building a "perfect" body. A Grecian god or goddess come to life.

Then Ahnold came along and it became about just getting huge, like him. That bled over into female competition in the '90s, probably because the judges had come from male bodybuilding. They only knew huge and freakish and had no concepts of sculpted and graceful by that time.

Someone responded earlier with "isn't that the reason to lift, to get bigger?" No, not all the time. This sport started out being about grace. Where's the grace in just walking up to the heaviest weight you can find and lifting it over and over? There's no technical ability in that, or artistic vision. It boils and devolves the sport down to "<grunt> Mongo lift!"

My preference has always been for strong and athletic in look. This even includes natural mesomorphs like Tina Lockwood, with emphasis on natural. Its when they have to resort to chemicals that their femininity fades away and they just become guys in bikinis.

I wish I had a way to post a picture I have that, to me, sums up what female bodybuilding is about. Its Marjo Selin standing in front of a brick wall, you see her from the knees up. She is wearing a brown leather jacket that is open in the front. She has one hand on a hip holding one side of the jacket further than the other. Her body, from her neck to her waist is a perfect bas relief of muscles with just a hint of sinew in her exposed forearms and around her lower hips and upper thighs.

To me, that is probably the single most sexy, erotic, attractive and incredible picture I have ever seen of a female body builder. And its what, IMHO, professional bosybuilding should still be about.

[fbbfan]

Red Silver,

Thanks for forming this discussion about the topic of female muscularity in Society.  Hope folks enjoyed this video that I posted.  Thank you again for posting that wonderful pic of Muscular Misty and Ash about two months ago.

Regards….

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