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August 5, 2008 at 5:51 pm in reply to: How to tell your Girlfriend/Fiancee/Wife about all this. #68095
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ParticipantThis isn't helpful.
Neither was the post that triggered the comment.
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ParticipantIt'll challenge those of us (like myself) who write a lot to be more concise.
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ParticipantI'd love to read Fett's report!
"So, I was being headscissored by Monica Martin…"
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ParticipantMelissa has been doing a good job updating her blog. Check out the latest post from 8/2, which has a wonderful picture of her and Tina Cross as well as a biceptacular video of the two of them doing straight bar curls together. Oh baby!
Hotness overload!!!!
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ParticipantHuge-muscled babe! 8)
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ParticipantI have no rival, no man can be my equal – Queen. 8)
Source: ROBB PHIPPS Pin-Up: WONDER WOMAN muscles
Phipps delivers what many of us crave – a monstrum Wonder Woman! 😮 8)
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ParticipantIn this forum, I would agree with you. However, to the world at large, muscularity is almost always associated with the male gender. Personally, I wouldn't care to see men competing with women in sports involving physical prowess, yet I would be delighted to see women upstaging men in the same.
I was actually stating biological fact. Whether people think that it tells us more than it does is not of relevance, it what actually the scientfic data tells us.
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ParticipantI've seen this one before; it's common to many arguments used by religious Christians (and probably lots of other people–religious or otherwise–too), and it's a logical fallacy…I can't remember the proper name for it, but I remember it colloquially being called the "True Scotsman" fallacy. Goes something like:
Person 1: Scotsmen don't eat porridge.
Person 2: My good friend Angus is from Scotland, and I've seen him eat porridge.
Person 1: Ah, but no TRUE Scotsman would eat porridge.Basically, it's a way to take a correct definition (a person from Scotland is Scottish), and by making a particular modification to that definition, create a new definition that is claimed to be a "truer" definition (in this case, the "true" Scotsman is from Scotland AND doesn't eat porridge). As you noted, it's used to make some new, arbitrary definition that they've created seem somehow more desirable (or "more correct") than the actual, correct definition.
And also as you noted, many of the statements on those sites made claims with little to no supporting evidence or arguments (not outside Bible quotations, anyway); while the counterpoints made in this thread do.
My advice (not that you asked for any :P): the people that wrote the articles at those sites are not worth the effort of raising your hackles…most of their arguments would boil down to "things should be this particular way because that feels 'right' to us"…as you've said, they have every right to express that; but for me I find it's easiest to exercise my own right to ignore their speechifying (and feel free to do the same to me, I have a tendency to ramble on sometimes).Nicely put, (I'll remember the "True Scotsman" fallacy for future reference) and your point about what feels right to those of a Christian inclination is apt, because, to me, the concept of muscular women feels right, and who's to say that what feels right to them is less right than what feels right to me, and, indeed,vice versa?
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ParticipantI love the karate kick! Amy is drawn every bit as hot as she is written by DTM.
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ParticipantUnfortunately, from the medical perspective, gender is, at its extreme edges a rather grey and fluid concept. Psychologically it's even more vague at times. IMO gender-testing should be as it will be in Beijing, based mainly on genetic AND endopcrinological data. In science it is never wise to rely on one test or approach anyway. The issue is clearly not with women competing in men's competitions, but with men being in women's events.
I also don't see a problem here with our love of muscular women. Muscularity tells one very little about the gender of a person.
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