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ParticipantVery amusing… ::) ;D Can't say I agree, but never mind. 😉 Just out of curiosity, as all you GOP voters here are moaning about how left-wing Oven Chip is,(McCain's oven chips (fries) are a populr frozen foodstuff here) what would he need to do/say to make you feel better about him? As a REAL leftie, it seems to me that he'd have to promise to specifically make all poor people's lives hell and kiss the feet of big business leaders. ;D ::)
ParticipantI have no wish to inflict pain upon ScottG, as I know what it's like to not be a fan of competitors who0 everyone else seems to be smitten with.
Now, returning to personal opinion, it's great that she's got her Pro debut arranged, and that new pic is just sizzling! 😮 8)
ParticipantSome real gems in there FB – good stuff. 😉 🙂
ParticipantHappy birthday to Weba!
Many happy returns Weba!
ParticipantCan't say I'm wowed by this latest batch, but your effort never ceases to amaze – bravo ze fly! 8)
ParticipantThere are also 57 Heinz varieties, so perhaps he has his eye on Mrs. Kerry.
LOL! ;D I'm fed-up of arguing in this thread – we need a bit more humour. 8)
ParticipantIt is interesting that Senator Obama happened to pick "57 states".
Although at last count there were only 50 states in America; currently there are actually 57 states in Islam.
Tschuss!
HunterHe didn't "pick" 57 states, he just had a moment of losing it. He isn't Muslim either, if that's what you're hinting.
ParticipantParticipantLook, you're missing the point. You're delving into endless discussion on two people who will have no impact in November, to try to prove a point that is demonstrably false, disingenuous and not relevant.
McCain has been in the public spotlight for about 40 years, since he became a POW during Vietnam. He's been in federal elected office for more than 25 years, since he ran for Congress in 1982. His catalog of sponsored and passed legislation is vast. His associates and preferences have been vetted, decades ago. He is a known quantity.
Obama is not. He is a first-term U.S. senator with no substantial legislative accomplishments. Prior to this he served in the Illinois legislature, where he was likewise transparent. He is running away from people like Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, who were his 'community' associates in Chicago.
The fact is that Obama has had recent, involved political relationships with people who are very fishy. McCain has not. The last time McCain was involved in anything fishy was almost 20 years ago, during the Charles Keating scandal, and he's been squeaky clean ever since. So this is a challenge for the Obama campaign, and it is asymmetrical because McCain faces no genuine comparable challenge, the best efforts of the Nation, Mother Jones and other leftwing rags notwithstanding.
It won't matter in November because voters are notoriously predictable in what they base their decision on. It was once said that Republican supporters would vote for a donkey if it were the GOP candidate, and I'm sure there are many Democrats who are the same. What I'm doing is pointing-out that the simplistic, Fox News view of the situation which says "Obama = bad, McCain = squeaky-clean" isn't as simple as that. Also, your argument is not far from Hank saying "Well, my cousin Billy-Bob down in Alabama says that Obama wants to segregate whites, so he's gonna vote McCain, and Billy-Bob's always right, so I'm gonna vote McCain too" or somesuch nonsense based on a ridiculous extrapolation of the truth of what Wright said instead of finding-out the truth for himself.
You're also resorting to the experience argument. Yes, experience is important, but there was once before an inexperienced, maverick Illinois senator who earned his party's nomination, and he became the best President you've ever had. In addition, Obama has a good record of gaining cross-party support for Bills, which would be an enviable quality in a President after the divisions of the past.
I'm also baffled as to how McCains' saccharine-laden praising of both men is irrelevant. The would-be President of a nation whose founders based its Constitution on the separation of Church and State regards two extremeist theologians to be great people and you're not concerned? I'm concerned about whether Obama truly rejects Wright, but you don't give a damn about two divisive preachers having the ear of McCain? I can't remember if you said who your original preferred Republican candidate was, but I'm guessing from your views here that you didn't bat an eyelid when Huckabee said that he'd re-write the Constitution to fit the word of God. Your country was founded not to kill people who bow towards the East, nor to give Evangelists special preference, but as a country that provided a safe haven for those whose ancestors had fled religious persecution in the Old World. If the people want the US to become a Christian theocracy, then that's their perogative, but future Presidents had better not try to impose theocracy on other countries, as Islamic theocracies do, unless they want their international reputation to drop lower than it's become in the last 8 years.
ParticipantLinks to prove my points:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwW3btvk_KQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS9F7O2lhWg
Watch this and tell me that Parsley seems sane to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg
WTF has race got to do with it?
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