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Yup – my ISP don't provide access to that group. AAWA was great back in the day though. Nowadays YouTube et al are much more convenient for content and message boards like this are better for discussion.
jdfanParticipantCheck out Johanna's update on Andy's: http://www.amg-lite.com/johanna_dejager/
Best biceps shot ever:
jdfanParticipantDefinately looks like Gina's given up heavy lifting from those pics. She's alot smaller than she was. So her new BF is 14 years younger than her and a bodybuilder? Good luck to her with that.
jdfanParticipantYes – there was a gallery of Shawna pics on FTV of her posing at the Genex booth at a Sci-fi convention. Now normally FBBs look kinda small next to your average guy – bit Shawna dwarfed every guy in every single pic. She's a big girl for sure!
jdfanParticipantIMHO your opening statement was malicious defamation:
Jd is not natural, she takes steriods. Claiming to be "natural" is laughable.
Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion – but you present this like a statement of fact when actually, your 'evidence' is no more than the second hand opinions from steroid users who have a vested interest in smearing natural athletes.
The facts are: Hard exercise and good nutrition build muscle. Certain drugs help build muscle but often produce unwanted side effects. Johanna has no side effects and has tested negative for banned substances many times over a 10 year period. In addition Johanna has staked her reputation on being natural and has no reason to lie since drugs are widely accepted in the sport.
We agreed testing is not perfect – but a number of athletes *have* tested positive at Johanna's competitions over the years. Therefore by submitting herself to those tests for over 10 years, there is at least *some* likelyhood that Jo actually is natural.
Another piece of evidence I would add: slow rate of change. Jo's build hasn't changed dramatically since she first appeared on the scene. She just slowly improves each year. Again, this is consistent with natural training. Unlike some girls who add a massive amount of muscle in a few short years.
I dont understand how I am smug; I said before that IF I am wrong, I would happily take back my statements.
By your own admission there is nothing J can do to prove she is natural – so clearly you will never take back your statements.
I did no side-stepping
Fortunately you side stepped the motive question to save us from more baseless accusations and character slurs. Thanks for that.
To justify your allegations you'd need to produce either:
a) a visible side effect
b) a positive test result.You have neither which makes your allegations baseless malicious defamation. Please lets not hear any more of your BS in this thread.
jdfanParticipant…To conclude, I would like to note that I not once gave any snyde remarks or took part in childish name calling…
Dude, you came into a pro Johanna thread and repeatedly stated in an arrogant and complacent manner that Johanna takes steroids – side-stepping or rubbishing the substantial evidence and arguments others posted in her defence.
As regards name calling – you are effectively calling Johanna a liar (since she claims to be natural) and a cheat (since she has won many natural BBing contests). These are serious allegations without a shread of proof – just your complacent statement that it's 'impossible' for Jo to be natural based on what the pro-steroid BB establishment say.
The thread had moved on to Johanna's Pro card victory – but you choose to restart the argument by again rubbishing the CBBF doping tests and by refusing to conceed that passing tests repeatedly over a 10 year period makes it any more likely she really is natural.
Libelous = maliciously defamatory. I think that's an accurate description of your allegations.
Bigot = a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
OK – maybe 'utterly intolerant' is too strong. But you're certainly smug, complacent and unwilling to conceed that you might not be right all the time.
OK – I'm ready to move on to discussing how great Johanna looks now.
jdfanParticipantIt always suprises me how people like greyfox here have no problem with women permanently damaging their health and appearance thru steroid abuse. But should a woman succeed the old fashioned way – naturally, thru hard work and perseverance over a 13 year competitive career – they get called a cheat and a liar and have their achievements rubbished.
I agree it's kinda pointless debating it further though. The only thing we can conclusively prove is that Greyfox is a libelous bigot.
Anyway – congratulations to Johanna on her Pro card and the vindication of her decision to stay natural.
jdfanParticipantjdfanParticipantYes!! Just heard Johanna won the middleweight class and was awarded the 2nd Pro card (same as Cindy last year). Well done Jo!!
jdfanParticipantA pic from the prejudging this morning at the Canadian Championships in Montreal:
From this pic I think J should take the middleweight class easily and be in with a good shot at the overall and Pro card. The finals are happening right now so stay tuned…
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