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Lock it, because apparently sharing an opinion or suggestion is "taboo" nowadays, and those were the comments I was talking about Pixxie, thanks for proving my point.

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There were some FMG shots in there actually, a noticeably muscular forearm coming out of the sleeves of a shirt, a bicep coming out of the sleeve, a slightly sweaty back stretching out the clothes from behind.

Though there were some clips of you in it, that was mainly for the chest and the foot, not the total package.  At the end it shows that the character has become muscular and you can see noticeable muscular definition on her arms.  Which is the key difference in say a regular clothes ripping video.  It was spliced together in a way that showed that the character did become muscular in the end.

If there's no muscles in the end, then there's no FMG, and there are no special effects programs that can make someone look muscular.  Your shots worked well for the in-between part because as you are a nicely proportioned lady it gives off a good effect for the middle part of the change.  It's only the last part that would be difficult, because though you have lovely proportions people will know the difference between bodybuilder and shapely girl, and that will make it hard to sell the video.

I mention these issues now since I do have the technical know how on achieving these things, so you can address these issues before the video is released.  Otherwise it's not going to sell very well and then we won't see a clip like that ever again.  I know it takes a lot of time, I do work in the field of television and video editing after all, so I wanted to make sure the project was aware of how the demographic around here would react depending on how the video turns out.

You mean this part?

It's no worse than what a casting or marketing director would say.  Sorry if that comes off as "offensive" but that really is nothing compared to what the "rude" members would say.  I've had far worse comments on my animations when I was first starting out, what I wrote here is pretty damn tame compared to the offensive, infuriating comments I got when I was making FMG animations for the community when it took me so long to make just one clip.  The above is strictly told from a business viewpoint, there's no hidden agenda or personal feelings in the mix. Could I have re-worded it?  Sure, but it's a little too late to go back and edit and quite frankly reading this over, it's pretty damn tame compared to the sh** I got.

I've been around 11 years hanging around this type of community, starting at Diana's, going to Iczerman's (when he had a forum), going to Wreck-Shop's, and finally stopping here at Amaz0ns formerly known as shegrew, while also having my own yahoo group of 5,000+ members where I have received feedback from thousands of members on what they like to see in the FMG genre.  Sorry if it comes off as arrogant but I earned my stripes and I worked hard for it, and considering that the comment I quoted was pretty gentle it's mind boggling why I'm getting so much flak over it.

It's not like I said "This is just absolute garbage" which is what a NORMAL comment would go for these days in a profession like that.  I didn't even say anything that came near that, she asked what was so great about the clip and I pointed out the highlights that an other FMG fan would have pointed out.  I've talked with a few folks who have tried to sell FMG comics and I've been told the horror stories of barely making back the cost to pay the artist!  This community is hard to sell, and even the Awefilms project didn't sell THAT well.  And then there's projects where people have paid at least 500 or more dollars and ended up getting something that was totally wrong!  The Kim Chambers video comes to mind.

I'm not just making this crap up either.  So I made my comment in the most gentle, business like manner.  I personally didn't want to see her waste all her time doing this video only to make eleven sales.  132 bucks isn't exactly going to buy groceries for the week; so I said what the people like, period.  The hell else am I supposed to do, pull up nielson (tv) ratings and arbitron (radio) ratings to explain how cheap the FMG community is?  It's very discouraging!  For someone who has never done FMG before, who wants the community to buy into their product.  I mean come on!

I probably wouldn't have said anything if money wasn't involved.  Then I would have kept my mouth shut, because then it becomes something completely different.  So in retrospect this entire discussion would have been avoided if cash wasn't involved.  Anyway, since money is involved I shared my homework so that Taylor doesn't get discouraged if the video doesn't sell well.  Or it does sell well, but doesn't make as much money as she thought it would.  Or if she's really luck it sells well and makes a ton of cash, and knowing this community being of the opposite gender does give a big advantage.  But anyway, whatever; I said my piece and there's really nothing else left to explain.  I apologize if it was written too "harshly" but considering the kind of comments I've gotten for my work, I don't believe what I said was as bad as everyone else is making it to be.

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Sorry I responded so late Mimi, yes I'm currently working in the industry but not in a major role, more like a cog rather than a clock face.

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I've spoken with plenty of the women on the board, and I've heard their horror stories.  So yes, I do know what they go through and I'm not one to treat any of them as pieces of meat.

Those clips weren't examples of what -I- wanted, they were examples of what is good quality video.  I personally could care less for green skin, yet the she-hulk clips were the only good ones to show.  That way she doesn't have to start from scratch, rather she has a place or an idea to start from and go from there.  I don't -need- or -want- anything because I just may well do it my damn well self, since I do know how to f**** draw and animate why the f*** would I ask or demand anything?  All I'm pointing out is the most popular videos that most fans of the community would watch over and over again.  People WILL be satisfied as long as it's done right!  It has been done right a couple of times and those that were done correctly are saved on my HD, those that were not are easily forgotten about.  It's like comparing the MadTV "Dot turns into Hulk" scene and "Paul Smith's Creation FMG" video.  Needless to say the MadTV one obviously sucked, while Paul's was stupendous.

People are under the assumption that it's so freaking easy to do these kinds of videos and it isn't until they start shooting that they realize how f'ing hard it is.  All I was doing was trying to make sure she didn't end up running into the most common obstacles, because once they hit they practically destroy the entire concept of a video.  Crappy video = no money.  No one is going to pay for MadTV Dot into Hulk, but they would probably pay for Paul Smith's creation video.  It does aggravate me a bit that people think shooting and editing is so easy that anyone can do it, it's a bit insulting to my profession and it's hard for me to keep my mouth shut on that topic because it is a passion of mine and it's almost like smacking me in the face.

And what you're talking about is a collaboration, yes I've done those before too and they worked out marvellously.  I'm not asking for anything though, all I did was point to some clips that were good examples of what's worth money to the FM community so that Taylor can make her money and everyone goes home happy.  If I was going to ask of something it would have been through PM's and in private, not something I'd post on here; and don't lump me in with the a**holes that like to PM and harass the female members of the community because of those I do talk to, they know that would be a completely wrong assumption.  I'm actually even quite offended that I'd be lumped in that category, considering all the help I've given to the female members of the community.

So instead of ganging up on my ass for expressing my opinion and pointing in a direction, just go do whatever it is you all are going to do and be done with it before the thread ends up getting locked due to a damn misunderstanding.

And for the last time, I don't want or demand anything.  I'm sharing my damn knowledge of the demographic and what a majority of them like so it's easier for Taylor to have a foundation to build from when she makes her video doing god knows what.  It doesn't matter if it was asked to or not, when you come to the FM community and tell em you're going to sell them a video of their favorite genre, someone is going to say something; better it be me than someone else who is more obnoxious, because there are many more "unknown" members here that would be far worse than the small things I've said.

So please, enough, because all this frustration is getting directed to the wrong person and I don't appreciate it.

Taylor good luck with your project.

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Let's not mis understand here,

Some folks have been around a long time, and there have been numerous times where someone claimed to do a clip in this genre and ended up letting a few folks down.  Either it was a bad camera angle, terrible effects, no noticeable change etc.  Those let downs eventually lead to skepticism and so it's a bit difficult to not want something to be perfect.

A few of us "have done it ourselves" I've got my animations and Smitty did his own video clip, but since Ms. Taylor wants to make a video that she would charge for, all we did was offer what we know.

I have a video background and know what I'm talking about when it comes to editing, shooting, and effects; which is why I decided to nip it in the bud so that the project Taylor produces go smoothly.  After all this is a project that people are going to get charged for, that's really the only reason we brought these issues up.  If we're going to pay to see this video, well it has to achieve a certain standard.  Anytime something involves money, people are going to speak and raise their expectations.

Sorry if it comes off unnerving, but we've wasted our money on bad videos and we always hope that the next one will be a worthy investment.

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Now to answer Taylor's question.

From what I googled on Kristine, she seems to be in the adult video business.  Not a big fan of that area so I didn't click on any images, if she doesn't have an agent you might be better off finding someone from this huge list here:

http://www.agm-lite.com

By reading some of the profiles certain BB's could be asked if they would like to do it.  For the FM community who is used to waiting, how fast you finish your video is not important, it's more important you find the right "body" to help you out and take your time with your production than to finish as fast as you can.  You could do other videos if you wanted in the meantime, because this community is definitely used to waiting; waiting a little more for getting it 'just right' would not be a problem.

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I had the pleasure of meeting Ms. Bellucci when I worked the premiere of shoot em up, a gorgeous lady indeed.  Thanks for sharing that extremely sexy clip!

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Mine is self explanatory.

I collect pictures, photos, videos of FM, FMG content.

I chose 2 because the "original" Collector from DTV thought I was trying to impersonate him.  Not that I would want to, his stories were lackluster in my opinion.  SO!  I became TC2 and now I do my own thing.

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There were some FMG shots in there actually, a noticeably muscular forearm coming out of the sleeves of a shirt, a bicep coming out of the sleeve, a slightly sweaty back stretching out the clothes from behind.

Though there were some clips of you in it, that was mainly for the chest and the foot, not the total package.  At the end it shows that the character has become muscular and you can see noticeable muscular definition on her arms.  Which is the key difference in say a regular clothes ripping video.  It was spliced together in a way that showed that the character did become muscular in the end.

If there's no muscles in the end, then there's no FMG, and there are no special effects programs that can make someone look muscular.  Your shots worked well for the in-between part because as you are a nicely proportioned lady it gives off a good effect for the middle part of the change.  It's only the last part that would be difficult, because though you have lovely proportions people will know the difference between bodybuilder and shapely girl, and that will make it hard to sell the video.

I mention these issues now since I do have the technical know how on achieving these things, so you can address these issues before the video is released.  Otherwise it's not going to sell very well and then we won't see a clip like that ever again.  I know it takes a lot of time, I do work in the field of television and video editing after all, so I wanted to make sure the project was aware of how the demographic around here would react depending on how the video turns out.

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I like what you did with Hayden indeed, looks like the beach got contaminated with muscle growth antigens!

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The company is trying to start the JLA film as soon as possible, if it doesn't happen now or next year there is a high chance they will abandon the project completely until a new company takes the reins.

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