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Chuck
ParticipantI have to agree that what really matters is that the story is well told and that if that's done, the rest follows.
I suppose respect is too strong a word; I actually just meant people pick up and read this hypothetical comic book and like it and get past that gut reaction some people have to a woman that looks like a walking tank. Slott at least did that, like him or not. I thought he was awesome in depicting She-Hulk, until they made her into a gorram cartoon with Rick Burchett… grrr……..
On Big Max: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And the more uber strong female person is also usually so uglified (I made up a word and like it) that it further degrades the idea of a pleasant buff heroine.
The acceptance by way of a team idea does have merit though; after all, Knockout functions well as a team member of the Secret Six, and she's, well, a knockout.
I also agree with Vollar-Tile on catering to the audience; it just doesn't work. Write what you love and someone somewhere will like it.
Chuck
ParticipantI'm going to have to go with Alex G on rampaging women not being a positive reinforcement, but I also have to say that Alex's comments on un-fetishized femuscle is unsettling. It's like saying they just want a person or a story that's brainless and full of explosions, or at least an exploding wardrobe. And certainly you can have femuscle in a story that isn't fetishized. However, it strikes me as rather heartless to disregard stories that, while having femuscle in them, are thrown away because it isn't fetishized…
oh…
The new Gen 13's like that because Caitlin's transformation wasn't fetishized like her original one, although she's still regarded as a sexual object in the story's universe but not by the art. I know we've had threads on here lamenting the lack of fetishization although it features a strong woman doing extraordinary things and being a very positive role model about it. I thought the last page of the first issue where Caitlin gets everyone in a group hug to be very positive as regards to how such heroes can be depicted as a whole. This is a Fairchild I can believe in more easily than one whose only purpose is to get as naked as possible in every issue. For crying out loud, on the list of Maxim's hottest superheroines that someone dug up a while back, what was Caitlin's primary appeal? Her costume malfunctioned as she opened a car door.
Be honest: how many people actually read the original Gen 13 mini-series? I tried reading it and Jim Lee's story was a little hard to get through.
Chuck
ParticipantWow! "Stop fetishizing your character!" That sounds like Mario Gully's comic "The Ant"!
He says that his book features a strong black woman character that should be taken seriously, but a quick perusal of the book reveals more than one instance of her sticking her well rounded butt in the air more times than is necessary.
And as for Bill Black's Femforce… dude, let's just forget that comic exists for a second. If I ever get a chance, I want to rip that book a new one in regards to how it depicts female characters.
Very good insights so far, everyone :).
Chuck
ParticipantDhar, dhar, dhar, dhar… Shulkie pretty.
Chuck
ParticipantWell, as an avid gallery watcher AND fellow who likes to see you post new things, she looks splendid! Many, many curves to get lost in… ;D Gorgeous!
Chuck
ParticipantAs for my "monster" idea, I don't want her drawn fugly. What I mean is that to the average comic reader muscular women are ugly "men with boobs" so why not confront the idea head on and make the character something of an outsider. You don't have to make her "man-hating" violent obsessive. You can even make her funny. But when it comes down to the threat situation she's all business. All Muscle and no Fu. ;D
Yeah, I did have an idea for a story where our Hyperwoman protagonist ponders how everyone says that she has 'man hands' but goes out and saves the day with a smile on her face. And in the end you have to have her scrawny significant other saying he likes her hands as they are. Ah, the joys of carefree positive reinforcement.
Chuck
ParticipantAs for uberbuffed, the most muscular render of any was She-Hulk in Avengers: Search for the She-Hulk and they made her out to be a whackjob psycho towndestroyer, without any regards for the lives of others. Hardly what I'd call the kind of positive reinforcement that we are looking for in buffed superwomen.
Yeah, thank you for that odd little story arc, Geoff Johns ;).
Chuck
ParticipantI'm not one for an anatomy critique, but I must say that you've drawn one smoking hot She-Hulk (and quite tall for that matter). Looking forward to the finished product and I hope your friend enjoys it.
Talented friends are awesome!
Chuck
ParticipantAngela Langley from Murder, She wrote – Full on clothes ripping and button popping as she transforms into an Amazon
…That's like, my total Amazon Dream.
Someone needs to get working on a fan fiction stat!
Chuck
ParticipantVery lovely muscle gals, Angel. It's nice to see the gentler side of Femuscle every once and while. It's much more cute I think, and a little more alluring too.
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