When does she not feel like herself?

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  • August 3, 2008 at 7:56 pm #74259
    grosum
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jul/30/olympicgames2008.gender
    And yes there are rare exceptions, but how or why do they always end up in sports?

    August 4, 2008 at 2:47 am #74260
    randy guillotte
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    When she says: "Help, I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body!"
    That may sound like a crude attempt at humor, however, it does give rise to the notion that in a world that is becoming vastly overpopulated, all types of anomalies will become more common. Women becoming men (and vice versa), whether through genetics or drugs or who-knows-what, is more commonplace now than ever and it was only a matter of time before it would be brought to light, especially in the sports world. As for winding up in sports, I believe it's a given that if a woman can compete against men, regardless of her true gender, she'll do it just to show the world that it can be done.  And just look at this forum. It deals 99% with women becoming stronger and more muscled than men, because it appeals to a small (but growing) percentage of people who find this genre attractive (myself included).

    August 4, 2008 at 9:23 pm #74261
    cpbell0033944
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    Unfortunately, from the medical perspective, gender is, at its extreme edges a rather grey and fluid concept.  Psychologically it's even more vague at times.  IMO gender-testing should be as it will be in Beijing, based mainly on genetic AND endopcrinological data.  In science it is never wise to rely on one test or approach anyway.  The issue is clearly not with women competing in men's competitions, but with men being in women's events. 

    I also don't see a problem here with our love of muscular women.  Muscularity tells one very little about the gender of a person.

    August 5, 2008 at 3:00 am #74262
    randy guillotte
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    I also don't see a problem here with our love of muscular women. Muscularity tells one very little about the gender of a person.

    In this forum, I would agree with you. However, to the world at large, muscularity is almost always associated with the male gender. Personally, I wouldn't care to see men competing with women in sports involving physical prowess, yet I would be delighted to see women upstaging men in the same.

    August 5, 2008 at 4:11 pm #74263
    cpbell0033944
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    In this forum, I would agree with you. However, to the world at large, muscularity is almost always associated with the male gender. Personally, I wouldn't care to see men competing with women in sports involving physical prowess, yet I would be delighted to see women upstaging men in the same.

    I was actually stating biological fact.  Whether people think that it tells us more than it does is not of relevance, it what actually the scientfic data tells us.

    August 6, 2008 at 3:41 am #74264
    grosum
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    OK, this is probably more info than you would like but you mentioned genetic testing and there just happened to be a related article today in a fairly respectabel newspaper…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103060_pf.html

    It's title is "Enhanced Athletes"

    August 6, 2008 at 5:03 am #74265
    Michael Pouliot
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    OK, this is probably more info than you would like but you mentioned genetic testing and there just happened to be a related article today in a fairly respectabel newspaper…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103060_pf.html

    It's title is "Enhanced Athletes"

    Wow.  Someone who almost gets it.  This whole "natural" illusion can't be discarded soon enough.  It's a complete joke.

    Too bad the author turned chickenshit when it came to steroids:

    Steroids are decidedly not on this list of innovations. That's because they are synthetic drugs that can radically alter the chemical make-up of a competitor's body.

    Oh, so they're not on the list because they are so damn effective?  If you read the whole article, you'll see the author doesn't piss all over the idea of athletes who seek to change their genetic material.

    So changing your genes is OK, but altering your chemical makeup is not?  The level of cognitive dissonance simply astounds me.  It's a shame really to see someone make such a reasoned argument but then go OMG STERIODS! and go back to towing the party line.

    Almost pisses me off more then the "they must be NATURAL" crowd.

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