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September 28, 2008 at 8:14 am #76488
Blake Gordon
ParticipantI could use some help.
I’ve been a BE writer for ten years. Never bothered with any other of the Growth genres until recently when I was asked to write a GTS story.
Afterwards, I realized that I enjoy writing GTS fiction. But it left me a little confused. I’d like to think I know most of the ‘in and outs’ of breast expansion, including what are cliché’s and how to describe large breasts without reverting to reciting the alphabet. Yet, I am at a loss for the majority of GTS fiction.
I really do not want to invest ten more years figuring out how to do good GTS, so I thought this would be the place to ask questions.
(I’ve seen the FMG cliché thread and it’s been very helpful.) I’ve been told there are basically two archetypes in most FMG stories: the gentle giant, and the dominator. I can understand the gentle protector theme, but I’m still having difficulty understanding the enjoyment factor of a cruel female protagonist.
Second… I could use some help polishing my description technique. In my first story I used all my BE tricks to describe the GTS elements of the story: use common objects as size comparison, subtle descriptions as the protagonists struggles with her environment, and clothes ripping.
Wardrob malfunction is where I could use the most help. Unlike BE, the garments suffering from a growing protagonist will expand from all sides instead of just from the front. I pondered using my fond memories of the, “Incredible Hulk” TV show for inspiration, but splitting across the sleeves and back can only be utilized so many times.
Panties: I would think as the female hips, thighs, and rump become larger the fabric would fail across the seat, much like tearing open a packet of Wal-Mart Socks. Then I figure the garment would fail at the waistband as it becomes very tight across the frontal nuaghty-bit areas.
Shredding clothing also has much to do with the style and design of the clothing… A dress shreds differently than a pair of slacks, than a spandex leotard, than some frilly lingerie… But does the clothing influce the enjoyment factor? And would a bra break from the front before breaking at the back?
So I ask, can anyone help me out?
September 28, 2008 at 8:47 am #76489Lingster
KeymasterDavid Sedaris' [html]Barrel Fever
[/html] – page 155. Seriously.
September 28, 2008 at 1:58 pm #76490
AlexGKeymasterAre you speaking strictly of mainstream GTS or GTS with FMG as an intergrated part of the character(s) transformational process?
And just how large of a giantess (height) are we talking about?
“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)September 28, 2008 at 9:10 pm #76491ParticipantAre you speaking strictly of mainstream GTS or GTS with FMG as an intergrated part of the character(s) transformational process?
And just how large of a giantess (height) are we talking about?
The final size is 300 ft tall… It’s a very pulp-comic style work of fiction.
I've noted that the GTS fan base are very quiet and reserved compared to the BE groups who constantly explain what they do and do not like in their fiction.
I only ask these questions because I'm ready to write and I do not want to draft stuff the established GTS and FMG fans go… "What is this junk, it’s an interesting story but the author never deals with…"
Paranormal romance is becoming the fastest growing genre in main stream Romance fiction. The most interesting aspect of this genre is you now have female protagonists that are very dangerous. The male protagonist now has to deal with the, "Back-Widow Effect", where if he decides to love her he could die if he displeases her.
So besides the basics of physical changes described in the most sensual means possible, is there anything else that the GTS/FMG fan group looks for in their fiction?
September 28, 2008 at 11:31 pm #76492AlexGKeymasterThe final size is 300 ft tall… It’s a very pulp-comic style work of fiction.
Well, that's considerably large, but not quite Mega, but still very large.
I've noted that the GTS fan base are very quiet and reserved compared to the BE groups who constantly explain what they do and do not like in their fiction.
The GTS genre has been on the slide in activity for the last few years. Two of the main centers for the fans to congregate at – Ozymandias's giantess.com and Pete's GTS Magic – closed their doors and took their vast archives of stories, artwork etal with them into the ether of no-longer-online nothingness.
Well, if there's one thing I noticed about GTS fans, and this has come up before an another thread, the vast majority them (but to be certain not everyone of them – there are some with more discriminating palates out there) simply don't like their fetish for the Playboy archetype giantess to be contaminated by having her grow into a femuscular Amazon GTS. Moreover, they can get extremely vocal about expressing their dislike for even modestly buffed women. By contrast, most Amazon fans don't seem to be interested in GTS, but don't mind if someone posts a story about a woman that gains the august strength and sculpted body of a Ms Olympia, but also ends towering up over the landscape, too.
Heck, they can even find themselves enjoying it, even if its not their normal FMG fare.
I only ask these questions because I'm ready to write and I do not want to draft stuff the established GTS and FMG fans go… "What is this junk, it’s an interesting story but the author never deals with…"
I'd probably have to point you towards works of Hi-Standard, his was/is still considered to be the exemplary example of GTS story telling. Unfortunately, his homepage is long gone and the only story that I know of that is still surviving out there is a cut-and-pasted copy his "Growth Encounter" novel saved on Nadie8's defunct story archive.
http://members.tripod.com/~Nadie8/index.html
Fritzcat or Hunter S Creek might know of another place hosting some of his works, but you’d have to ask them.
So besides the basics of physical changes described in the most sensual means possible, is there anything else that the GTS/FMG fan group looks for in their fiction?
Hmmmm, doesn't always have to be as sensual as possible. As a case in point, I had She-Hulk Gammazon story where the transformation came on as an extremely pain-wracked process as she evolved into a 100-foot GTS. Expressing her frustrations, she wiped out a civic center hosting a comic book convention.
One of the things they look for, and similar to Amazon fans, is of the person's clothing ripping apart at the seams. There's a fairly strong strip-tease element to both fan bases, wouldn't quite call it a fetish, but its there nonetheless.
“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)September 29, 2008 at 7:40 am #76493trilliwig
ParticipantHm, well, as AlexG mentioned, you'll more likely find FMG fans here, and not so much GTS, and I'm no exception. But I'll see what I can do.
(I’ve seen the FMG cliché thread and it’s been very helpful.) I’ve been told there are basically two archetypes in most FMG stories: the gentle giant, and the dominator. I can understand the gentle protector theme, but I’m still having difficulty understanding the enjoyment factor of a cruel female protagonist.
Well, I do prefer the gentle protectors myself, but sometimes it can be exciting to see how twisted and evil you can make a character. Transformations don't have to be solely physical, and I suspect a lot of GTS fans cross over into sadomasochism territory. As for me, a little dabbling in the darker side of human nature helps to remind me why I stay over on the light side. 😀 It makes a character so much more interesting when they follow an arc of losing their innocence and then regaining their faith, or being corrupted, going to the brink or perhaps over it, but then repenting and becoming redeemed. Just my personal fetish I guess. Did I mention I liked Jekyll and Hyde stories? 😉
Shredding clothing also has much to do with the style and design of the clothing… A dress shreds differently than a pair of slacks, than a spandex leotard, than some frilly lingerie… But does the clothing influce the enjoyment factor? And would a bra break from the front before breaking at the back?
Y'know, I don't think I've ever run across an author putting that much thought into the distinct modes of structural failures different clothing designs would have. Not that I'm against it, but it's never occurred to me to care. 😉 If I care about the costume, it's because it's a signifier of a subculture or personality for the girl in question, goth or punk, or what have you. If you have an interesting idea in this vein, by all means, go forth and write it. 😀
September 29, 2008 at 3:28 pm #76494AlexGKeymaster. . . and I suspect a lot of GTS fans cross over into sadomasochism territory.
GTS does have its unsavory fan elements for grossness as turn-ons – crushing, eating, insertion, etc. – but, I think you could just as easily make the case that that is just as true of a segment of fans of Amazons – just look at DTV with its focus on fem-dom, humiliation, wrestling, beating, etc.
Someone once said to me, broadly speaking in a generality – if GTS has Oedipus complex to it, the FMG/Amazon also has a dominatrix complex to it, its just in how its expressed, sizewise.
“I like a good story well told. That is the reason I am sometimes forced to tell them myself.”
~ Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens (1907)September 29, 2008 at 10:10 pm #76495Prophet Tenebrae
ParticipantBE is very much the opposite in it's general outlook… there are a lot of stories where a girl is BE'd against her will or expanded to enormous size etc. and is little more than a giant pair of tits. If she has power, it's entirely sexual in nature and she'll be the teasing seductress… essentially, no matter what happens, she's a sex object.
FMG and GTS are different but similar in that they're precisely the opposite of BE as far as that goes. If a girl is 50' tall or built like the Hulk… she's powerful. Now, she might not realise it… or she might be too nice to abuse it but it's there regardless of whether it's elaborated upon or not.
I'm not as well versed in GTS but that's definitely more dominated by the abuse of power… FMG tends to be more evenly split.
That's probably the main difference.
September 29, 2008 at 11:25 pm #76496ParticipantOne of the things they look for, and similar to Amazon fans, is of the person's clothing ripping apart at the seams. There's a fairly strong strip-tease element to both fan bases, wouldn't quite call it a fetish, but its there nonetheless.
I have never thought of clothes bursting in such a manner. I have to say this is brilliance. I might have to go back to my GTS story and do a revamp…
But thanks again for all the help. I do know that the RTE-23 story site is interested in producing more AMZ and GTS stories. I am very thankful you guys where here to help me out. I might be able to write a few. (or try ;D )…
September 30, 2008 at 9:15 am #76497ParticipantFMG and GTS are different but similar in that they're precisely the opposite of BE as far as that goes. If a girl is 50' tall or built like the Hulk… she's powerful. Now, she might not realise it… or she might be too nice to abuse it but it's there regardless of whether it's elaborated upon or not.
I'm not as well versed in GTS but that's definitely more dominated by the abuse of power… FMG tends to be more evenly split.
That's probably the main difference.
After giving it more thought, I find I agree with everything you and AlexG state. Perhaps that's why I like FMG and BE, but only incidentally on occasion tolerate GTS. GTS is 90% gore or power-mad women. Not that there's anything wrong with power-mad women… ;D but they have to somehow be forced back to their senses eventually for me to be interested.
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