[Fett]

I spend about $14.95  month on one website with illustrated stories of BE and some female growth.

Yeah? Which one?

I don't pay any money for this sort of material, outside of basic internet/electricity fees of course.  Although, I don't pay money for many forms of media either, whether it be games, movies, television shows etc. unless it's really worth it I find a way around the price.

I'm like that too. I download quite a bit for free, and generally, if I like it, I'll go out and buy it (that's how I got into Firefly). One thing I download a LOT and rarely pay for is tv shows (in that I rarely pay for tv shows I download, but I have loads of dvd box sets of tv shows) – for example, American Gladiators. The reason is that I don't know if and when they'll air over here, and since they're airing for free on tv – basically, in the old days before the internet, you'd record something off tv and keep it. I did that all the time (loads of Simpsons tapes for example). It's weird, I'll burn a dvd of Heroes episodes and people will act like they're getting drugs. If I lived in the US, came over for a week with a set of tapes with Heroes episodes recorded on them, no one would bat an eyelid. Weird.

*looks at rants*

*looks at thread title*

So, the question is, "how much are you willing to pay" and someone responds with an honest answer (and he wasn't bragging at all), people then post offensive comments at him. He explains his position (without bragging) and gets lambasted further. That's somewhat disappointing.

[MagnusMagneto]

Thanks fett, looks like someone finally realizes I wasn't bragging, and simply stating my position.

I'll just go ahead and say that I don't steal from independent artists/bodybuilders and the likes.  Outside of free samples, or what has been posted by someone on youtube (which the original copyright owner can have removed whenever they want) The only things I torrent are all produced by corporations that don't need the money.

Last time I checked, studios that crank out blockbusters, and popular music artists don't need the money from DVDs or CDs.  Those artists typically make piss poor money from albums, many admit themselves that they make their money off of concerts (which I do attend… and pay for artists that I like)  – To further this statement, artists are starting to simply give out their music for free, or let buyers choose how much they want to pay.  As for the movies, if it's something that is in theaters, I'll pay for it, downloading a DVD of a movie produced by billion dollar corporations doesn't really affect them very much.  If anything, in my opinion (not sure if I'm allowed to have one though), more people should pirate DVDs/CDs, they are very overpriced – someone said that pirating raises the price for everyone?  Not necessarily true, for small struggling artists, yes it is, and I don't/try not to intentionally steal from those types, but if everyone stops buying the latest DVD for 20 dollars, or the latest CDs for 15, then it might get into the heads of the chairmen that maybe they should lower the price to something that's fair.

Anyways, sorry for offending many of you by not allowing corporate America completely run my checkbook, and in short, for the original topic – I don't pay any money for this fetish because many artists of this genre create FREE art / stories, and I'm willing to have less material personally.  If you want to pay $15 a month and get some great animations, more power to you.  I choose to use what's already free…  that's my choice.

[Michael Pouliot]

Last time I checked, studios that crank out blockbusters, and popular music artists don't need the money from DVDs or CDs.

Ah yes, the Robin Hood defense.  Sorry, but theft is not defined by need.

In regards to your original statements, they certainly came off as saying that you actively worked to obtain pay only fetish material for free.  That clearly rubs many here the wrong way, and I for one am glad to see that you backed away from that statement.

[MagnusMagneto]

No, unless I have come across it on youtube, then I have not stolen any fetish related materials. 

[Fett]

Ah yes, the Robin Hood defense.  Sorry, but theft is not defined by need.

But… it's not the Robin Hood defence. If he's the thief, then that means he's Robin Hood. Which in turn means he takes from the rich and gives to the poor. He only does the first part. So… I suppose it's more the Dick Turpin defence?  ??? I dunno.

Also – theft is somewhat defined by need. A needy person is more likely to get away with thievery than another. For example, a street urchin who steals bread is less likely to be punished than say, a office worker who gets his kicks at night by stealing dvd players from other residents. (At least… I would hope so…)

Also – piracy isn't theft. Theft, according to the dictionary, is "the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny." The key is, "carrying away the personal goods or property of another". You don't really do that with piracy. You copy their goods, and then walk away with that copy. They still have their own goods and property.

There's this thing on dvds with X-TREME(!!!) music about how you wouldn't "steal a car" then goes, "piracy is theft". But it should really ask if you would "clone a car" by having a guy walk up to a car, stand next to it for a few hours and slowly build a new car next to it (out of thin air I suppose) and then drive off in it. Thinking about that image always makes me laugh. 😀

[detritus]

Hello,  long-time lurker, few-time poster.  I just needed to get a few things off my chest.

The only things I torrent are all produced by corporations that don't need the money.

The reason these businesses do what they do is to make money.  You don't get to decide how much money anyone else "needs".

Last time I checked, studios that crank out blockbusters, and popular music artists don't need the money from DVDs or CDs.

They do.  That's why they sell them.

in my opinion (not sure if I'm allowed to have one though)

You can opine anything you want.  You can say you think that the Earth is flat, or that, in your opinion, 2+2=5.  Just because something is your opinion doesn't mean that you're not dead wrong and that nobody should call you on it.

Anyways, sorry for offending many of you by not allowing corporate America completely run my checkbook

Nobody is forcing you to write checks to "corporate America".  If you don't like something enough to purchase it, that's a perfectly valid choice.  But if you choose not to buy something, then you don't get to own it.  You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Also – theft is somewhat defined by need. A needy person is more likely to get away with thievery than another. For example, a street urchin who steals bread is less likely to be punished than say, a office worker who gets his kicks at night by stealing dvd players from other residents. (At least… I would hope so…)

Just because the urchin stole less or for a different reason, or because the police or prosecuting authority might decide to let him go, doesn't mean he didn't steal.  The desert of punishment is immaterial to the definition of the crime.

Also – piracy isn't theft. Theft, according to the dictionary, is "the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny."

You're right.  It isn't larceny.  It's intellectual property infringement, which is actually quite a bit more serious.  Larceny is the taking of physical property, that is, someone's chattels. Intellectual property is the right to profit from and distribute one's own work.  When you copy a DVD, you're not "stealing" the movie itself, but you are infringing on the creator's right to distribute his own work as he sees fit, a right granted and protected by law.

[joey7x]

There's this thing on dvds with X-TREME(!!!) music about how you wouldn't "steal a car" then goes, "piracy is theft". But it should really ask if you would "clone a car" by having a guy walk up to a car, stand next to it for a few hours and slowly build a new car next to it (out of thin air I suppose) and then drive off in it. Thinking about that image always makes me laugh. 😀

You pirated that analogy  😀

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OWIeF-Isds

[Fett]

*hand on heart*

Honestly never, ever, seen that before. 😀

[MagnusMagneto]

I just realized that the collector condones downloading of SNES games, from a thread I made a long time ago -_-;

Well, hopefully this random debate/flame fest/whatever it is dies soon.

[Deadly Pixxxie]

Wow. It's amazing that the n00b on here gets it and you don't.

Outside of free samples, or what has been posted by someone on youtube (which the original copyright owner can have removed whenever they want) The only things I torrent are all produced by corporations that don't need the money.

Oh, so the mean ol' corporate fat-cats don't need the money, eh? Do you even know how Capitalism works? Hmm? Do you? I don't think you do. I don't think that you've EVER paid for anything in your life and that discusts me.

Last time I checked, studios that crank out blockbusters, and popular music artists don't need the money from DVDs or CDs.

Really? Is that a fact? So….all the major labels don't need to ever sell dvds or cds and they can just rely on kick back money. That's what you're saying. Artists like….and I'm just throwing out examples here….Amy Lee/Evanescense don't need any money from DVD sales or CD sales? Somehow they just magically dips her their hands into the magical leprechaun pot of gold and produce the money that they need to live on, is that right? I mean, you must know better than i do. It's not like I have three degrees in music from prestigious universities. I mean, it's not like I've taken years and years of music business classes or actually have worked for major labels before. No, I would have no idea what I'm talking about, right?

Wrong.

I do. And this statement…isn't helping your situation any.

Those artists typically make piss poor money from albums, many admit themselves that they make their money off of concerts (which I do attend… and pay for artists that I like)  – To further this statement, artists are starting to simply give out their music for free, or let buyers choose how much they want to pay.

Do me a favor. Clear out 20 gigs worth of free space on your hard-drive. I'm going to send you ALL of the documents I have on record sales and how the business actually works…because you have no clue how it really works.

As for the movies, if it's something that is in theaters, I'll pay for it, downloading a DVD of a movie produced by billion dollar corporations doesn't really affect them very much.

I want you to read the statement beneath this one….that's the reason why DVD cost so goddamn much. The other reason? Look at the WGA strike. That's the OTHER REASON.

If anything, in my opinion (not sure if I'm allowed to have one though), more people should pirate DVDs/CDs, they are very overpriced – someone said that pirating raises the price for everyone?  Not necessarily true, for small struggling artists, yes it is, and I don't/try not to intentionally steal from those types, but if everyone stops buying the latest DVD for 20 dollars, or the latest CDs for 15, then it might get into the heads of the chairmen that maybe they should lower the price to something that's fair.

Yeah, because stealing things really sends a message to the corporations.  ::)

"Oooh, you mean old fat-cats, I'll get you…I'm gonna STEAL from you and thus, increase shrinkage within the store I'm stealing from…which causes the employees to be more stressed out and the manufactorers of the CD/DVD to add more safety precautions to the CD/DVD, which means that you can't make a nice mix cd for someone because it's copy protected…and then to compensate for the cost of all the things being stolen…they jack up the price of one mp3 on iTiunes to $2.99…all because you want to make some teenage rebellious statement.

Anyways, sorry for offending many of you by not allowing corporate America completely run my checkbook, and in short, for the original topic – I don't pay any money for this fetish because many artists of this genre create FREE art / stories, and I'm willing to have less material personally.  If you want to pay $15 a month and get some great animations, more power to you.  I choose to use what's already free…  that's my choice.

And like I said, if you wanna steal shit and be a leech, that's your call. Just know that assholes like you, fuck it up for everyone else. You can come up with a million excuses and reasons and etc….it doesn't change the fact that you truly have no idea what's going on in the world around you and you're just another kid that wants to blame corporate America.

nNewsflash, spanky….GROW UP, GET A JOB AND PAY FOR SHIT LIKE THE REST OF US. We don't live in a Communist global society. We live in a capitalist society. Get that through your thick skull.

Well, hopefully this random debate/flame fest/whatever it is dies soon.

Oh, are you feeling outnumbered? That's because you know you're wrong. That's guilt. Get used to it. You deserve to feel it.

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