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What about he Republican delegation that went there a few weeks before after it was asked not to by the White House?
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/05/africa/ME-GEN-Syria-US.php

They were on a purely fact-finding trip, not trying to do foreign policy deals with the Syrians.

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Then again, if the President in his Executive capacity has to make the decisions, then giving extremeists the ammunition to recruit more suicide bombers by telling the American people that 9/11 was an inside job, thereby saying that the Government's blaming of Islamists is shifting the blame unfairly on to them is undermining the President's authority, so perhaps it is treason after all.  My goodness Lingster, I think you've turned me into a Republican!

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Update:  I've just read that Pelosi's actions are against the Logan Act, which I understand to be part of the Constitution, whereas Mowlam's actions were with the backing on the Prime Minister.  Just thought I'd clear that up before anyone else criticises me.  I therefore retract my comment on Pelosi's actions – I agree that she shouldn't have gone if it violated the US Constitution, and, as the penalty is apparently three year's imprisonment, she should be jailed for her actions.

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I absolutely cannot stand her.  And we’re both lesbians, and I am ashamed to say she is one.  She gives us girls a bad rap, and there is nothing more offensive and repugnant than a loud mouthed blubber mouth that might as well kick and scream for her to be the center of attention.  I don’t march around here in Chicago for people to accept me or my opinions, and neither should she.  She goes against every characteristic a woman should be… I value a strong willed woman, but only for her family and/or wife. 

I wish I could slap the shit out of her.

Sorry, she just really irritates me.  I’m usually not this emotional about things… well, I am about a nice buff babe, but that’s for another thread.

XOXO’s

[size=10pt]~Mimi[/size]

Hmmm, not much liking for her round here, is there? 😮 ;D

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Why?  Well, I don't really know.  Just personal prference, I suppose.

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cpbell0033944, who is that vixen in your avatar?  I've been meaning to ask about her… wow, she's incredible!

XOXO's

She's quite the knockout, isn't she?  That's Kathy Unger – she left the mainstream BB circuit when heavy steroid use kicked-in, and became a star of "Natural Bodybuilding".  I'm pretty sure she's retired now, but what a glorious, sexy woman she was (and no doubt still is).

Links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnpKuh7e5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnpKuh7e5w

http://amaz0ns.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=135&topic=4584.msg43679#msg43679

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHUWfNjBMkc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T82o1PHt2qQ

Hope you enjoy these. 😉

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And apparently she likes doing things drug-free. Hats off to her :D!

Here her!  Good to see what a woman is capable of without steroid supplementation.

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Wow – this one has moved on a bit!

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The main difference is intent.  If you are able to prove that Michael Moore and Charlie Sheen had the intent that their movies/documentaries were to be used for Al-Qaida and the Taliban rather than just spitting out worthless conspiracy theories (as they are), then I would jump onto the "They are committing treason" bandwagon, but as it is, the burden of proof is on you to prove their intent.  Without intent there is no treason.

This is basically what I've been saying all along.  If the intent is to cause attacks against their homeland, then OK, it might be treason.  However, I've read Moore's writings (not all, but some), and have never found any hatred of his country therein.  Hatred of what is happening in his country, yes, but hatred of the US itself?  NO.  This is all tied-in with the Neocon "If you don't support what the President is doing in your name, then you are not a patriot and are helping Al Quaida" propaganda.  I happen to hate what my country did to African slaves in the sugar plantations of the West Indies, but does that make me a traitor?  I don't think so, but, if it does, well, put the handcuffs on me now, officer, I'll come quietly.

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And according to that wiki entry, you 're opposing the right of some or all muslim citizens to choose the way they want to be organized and develop their laws as they see fit? Why would you do that? Internal workings of a country are none of your business as long as they don't harm you. And please don't say that they do harm you as there is no way on earth to prove that law you, as well as everyone else outside a particular country, don't have to abide to actually hurts you.

Someone once said that the true believers in democracy and fairness support a person's right to believe in something that they themselves hate, because, despite their dislike of the belief, their conviction in the freedom of expression of an individual is stronger.  However, as far as Sharia law is concerned, I agree that it is intolerable.  There are limits.  However, Lingster does keep tarring Islam as a whole with the Sharia brush, which is grossly unfair, IMO.

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I would argue that Nancy Pelosi going over to Syria and talking with those terrorist supporters by going completely against the State Department's request that she not, borderes much closer to treason than Michael Moore.

I disagree with this strongly.  Trying to establish dialogue with terrorists, to bring them around to a civilised way of thinking, to extend an olive branch towards people in the hope that they might reform is a noble act.  If the late Mo Mowlam hadn't sat around a table with Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley, people in Northern Ireland would still be blowing each other up.  The fact is that her pioneering efforts brought enemies around a table to share power, and made that corner of the world a far better place.  I don't give a flying **** what the State Department says.  If she's trying to get terrorists around a table, then she's to be applauded.

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Islam isn't a person or even an entity.  It has no rights and I have no obligations to it.

Islam is a meme that needs people to survive – they are its carriers, therefore you do have obligations towards it through the people thatfollow it.

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Well said, and enough said…

A hearty thank you from me as well, Lingster, for forming a place we FBB/FMG lovers can be ourselves! ;D

I know, Lingster, that you and I disagree on certain issues (politis especially), but, as regards your dedication and organisational skills, I have a great deal of respect and admiration for your achievements, and most heartily endorse the sentiments expressed here.  This really does feel like a safe haven for those of us whose tastes are somewhat 'alternative'. 8)

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Its nice to know I'm no longer the virgin of the boards!   ;D  And I didn't get a badge, Alex!  *Pouting*   :'(  Nobody loves me anymore…

Welcome to your new 'home', ProfUltima.  I think you'll find this place to be VERY inspiring!  I know I have… its wonderful!

Peace and Love,

Alex!  Give the nice lady a badge! ;D 😉

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