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she's ultra ripped.

That may be part of the reason I'm not appreciating her as I once did.  Having said that, I saw an interview on Youtube that some guys at a local station did with her.  She was criticising the steroid-ridden FBBers by saying how deep and gravelly their voices are…whilst speaking in a deep, gravelly voice herself. ::)

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http://amaz0ns.com/option,com_smf/Itemid,135/topic,7523.msg85945/#msg85945

Context, dear Sir, context – I was referring solely to her level of conditioning, as this was the topic at hand.  I wasn't referring to her overall appearance or even physique as a whole.

Yes, the IFBB in Europe does test, so why not in the US where steroids are illegal?  I've often wondered how rewarding physiques built on steroid use in a country that bans them for BBing purposes isn't aiding and abetting a crime.

Also, no, not only for the women; men too should be tested in my opinion. 8)

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She's marvelous!

We really owe a lot to tireless Tom Nine, chronicler of beautiful muscle girls.

Yes we do indeed. 8)

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Her physique is incredible, but I feel her overall look is not as hot as it once was.

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I'm always amazed that we seem to be the only country in the world that uses stones as a unit of weight LOL.  As there are 14 pounds to 1 stone, that makes her weight 119 pounds, not 112.

Also, 100 kg bench press = 220 pounds.

Of course, she's very sexy! 8)

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You're a man with great taste, sir.  😉  ;D

Thanks. 😉

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Sinclair's Shulkie has great thighs, thanks ze fly. 😉

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i just dont get your logic , cpbell ??

in your lat post in the alesha young thread you wrote she is perfect…???…
alesha is maybe bigger than iris…and made this in a short time…
but you are going to critic iris and applaud alesha  ??

can you explain this ???

I don't recall saying she was perfect.  I might have complimented her physique ike that, but I often separate whether I like an FBBers total look or whether I find her hot from the quality of her physique.  I originally loved Aleesha, but I believe that she is taking too many "supplements", shall we say, as her appearance is changing for the worse, IMO.  I LOVE size as a pure factor, but, unforynately, size usually comes with a price – GH jaw, gravelly voice, clitoral enlargement, needing to shave the face etc.  If size comes with that baggage, then I am turned-off.  In the rare cases where size comes without that, I love it.  Simple.

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Continued from previous post:

OK, so what is my formula for success?  Firstly, regulations.

–  Drug testing.  If steroids areillegal in the US, then the IFBB has a duty to test for them.  Either apply the same type of testing as the IAAF use in athletics or set maximum permissible levels of testosterone and its homologues and growth hormone circulating in the body.

–  Judging must favour a chiselled but healthy look.  Pinched cheeks, dried-out skin and less-than-rounded musculature due to dehydration should be penalised; muscle definition and shape rewarded.  Look at old footage of the Ms O in the late 1980s and early 1990s and ask yourself if many of the top threes from those days would stand a chance of placing now in terms of conditioning?  Of course not.  Emphasise the body sculpting aspect (as promoted by the greatest ever, Cory) over the pure building; in other words, size should not overrule shape, form and symmetry. 

Now for marketing:

– Figure needs to be promoted as a beautiful, strong, muscular physique contest.  Posing routines need to be introduced after the high-heel quater turn part of the show.  It needs to be marketed to women as favouring the sort of physique that they,, with effort and dedication, could produce.

–  Masters FBBing needs to be promoted to women between 35 and 60 as proof that being buff is healthy and empowering for the older woman.  It also needs to be promoted to men as a good thing because it keeps women looking younger and sexier (I know that sounds misogynistic, but sexiness sells, I'm afraid)

– FBBing become effectively natural, so the two could combine forces.  This would increase the audience overnight and bring more competitors to events.  Look at the Champ Car/IRL situation; the series is stronger now it is no longer divided.  Encourage more adventurous posing routines by reducing the

– If there is a market for extreme size, re-introduce what is currently Pro FBBing as an "Extreme FBBing" category.  No holds barred, size and conditioning are everything.

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OK, here goes, in bullet points to stop me from typing too much:

– I agree that FBBing is not and should not be a beauty contest.

– I agree that size should be a judging criterion; my argument is that size and ultra-dry, dehydrated contest shape seem to have been prioritised to such an extent that symmetry, proportion and aesthetics of the physique seem unimportant to judges.  I have seen some results (including Figure) where the most shredded physique beat the best-balanced physique.

– IMO, Pro FBBing no longer exists, as a Pro sport is one in which the competitors are full-time professionals.  To be a full-time pro, you need to be able to win enough prize money or be paid enough by a team in order to prevent yourself needing to work for a living or do other things to make ends meet.  Currently, no FBB Pro could afford to do that, therefore the Pro category is not Pro at all, it is Extreme FBBing, but not Pro.  Similarly, so-called amateur FBBing can't really be called amateur as ALL FBBing is amateur.

– If the competitors and the organizing body are refusing to change, then they must accept that the prize money will drop further thanks to reduced sponsorship, that their sport will go "underground" because there will be NO media coverage outside of the BBing magazines, and that it will end-up as a very low-key affair.  This means that it won't be worth holding the Ms. Olympia at the same venue or at the same time as Mr Olympia, because it will eat away at the profit the IFBB will make from the Mr O. 

– This will cause one of two things; either the IFBB drops so-called "Pro" FBBing completely and euthanases it, or it will hold the Ms O in some small town hall somewhere with a few hundered spectators and a couple of camcorders filming it.

– My point is that the IFBB and its defenders face a choice – keep FBBing pure as the pursuit of size and ever-lower bodyfat %ages until someone collapses on stage and possibly dies, or modify it and see it thrive.  To me it's a no-brainer.

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