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“Cool your jets Mal, that’s not at all what I said.”

And I said that perhaps I was harsh. However, I think that perhaps my post above still had some merit.

“What I *did* say is that the end point of that kind of absolutist line is a completely inability to write any genuine story about a culture whose taboos are drawn differently than our own.”

There is nothing wrong with the absolutist line. I don’t consider the types of stories we’re discussing to have any size, shape, or connection to understanding a “culture” that is merely “taboo” or drawn differently than our own. And if we were, I could care less about understanding another culture if the differences were that vast between us and their practices are the total opposite of my own. I know, I know.. I’m not a “cultured, sophisticated, elite”

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104282/smuggy-san-francisco-town

These stories are written in the framework of OUR culture and fall under OUR laws and mores. This is what I mean by your relativism. I don’t NEED to understand this material. I don’t NEED to give it latitude. This isn’t me dining with a bunch of people from a foreign nation and then practicing a festive ritual with them. Hell, and if that WAS the case and after dining with them they wanted me to practice a ritual with them that was against COMMON decency, I’d tell them to f’ off.

I’m not a cultural ethnographer from some damn National Geographic magazine.

“(And indeed does so right here in the United States from state to state, here and now, from 14 for a male in Arkansas to 18 in other states. ) is legitimate.”

I’d check that law and read it VERY carefully.

“So, yeah Mal, unless you have a specific state whose law you intend to enforce across the other 49, plus every other country, then yeah, you *are* a relativist who is putting up with all the other states immoral behavior and has evidently never been bothered by it before now.”

Go check out the stories I’m speaking of. While, in my opinion a sexual FETISH story on a FETISH site (let’s not kid ourselves what Brawna is folks) is disturbing, the stories there depict characters much younger. I’m NOT a relativist. Those stories I’m speaking of are wrong. Finito, finished. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. It’s simply wrong for ADULTS to fantasize over someone that young. That’s a clearly defined line.

“Sorry – if you’ve never bothered to become informed and take action about the actual real age of consent across the real states of the real USA, I have some difficulty understanding your having a moralistic hissy fit about a fictional age of consent between characters that your original statement accuses of being of ‘questionable age’, whatever *that* means. “

There is FEDERAL LAW. I beg, beg, BEG you, to take those stories to a Federal Judge and ask him if the characters depicted in those stories, as others have argued here and on Brawna, have any valid artistic merit and then compare Federal law to all 50 states which possess obscenity laws based on the Federal statute and application. I ASSURE you, that they would find those stories troubling. They might even find mine troubling but they would probably differentiate it based on content (age of the characters). I’m just saying.

“Heck if you watched the first seasons of “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” characters had implied sex under 18 – conveniently covered by the “Fade to Black” Veil.” Implied and fade to black do not constitute “obscene” which is often defined by pornographic content.

As for my “moralistic hissy fit”, you may call it what you will but I’m willing to bet that the more of those types of stories that are put on Brawna, and given the technological powers of the modern age to sift through questionable data, that at some point, if not already, those people who insist on writing those scenarios are drawing an unwanted and questioning gaze upon all of us who have NO interest in those types of materials.

That is all I’m saying. As I said, call it what you will but it’s troubling. Why should we try and make excuses for it?

There is no excuse to have those types of stories associated with OUR community and/or ADULT centered interests. Unless something’s changed and I’m wrong in which I’ll be making a hasty exit.

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I can’t believe that I even have to have this discussion and why it’s troubling. Why should I even bother writing anymore after this?

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I know, I know, I was a little harsh but darn it I want to keep that kind of crap off of the story site.

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Pug wrote:

Urg. Perhaps understandable, but I hate trying to dictate that you can’t read a good story where the culture is different – You end up with the kind of historical revisionism that has versions of “Huckleberry Finn” with the N-word edited out. Yeah, it *should* be disgusting from our point of view, but you can’t see different cultures without actually seeing *other* cultures. God forbid people read “Clan of the Cave Bear”.

So. you’re calling me a revisionist and comparing Huckleberry fin, a reflection of it’s literary and historical times, (which I’m against the left’s push to edit) and saying my stance against stories featuring sexual situations involving CHILDREN is the same?

Furthermore you’re saying that I can’t view other “cultures” based on this stance? I’m supposed to try and “understand” something morally abhorrent to me? What is this some kind of bizarro Star Trek The Next Generation episode?

Sorry Pug. I’m NOT a relativist. I DO believe in the distinction between good and evil, right and wrong, and no amount of “culture seeking” will change my view.

As I said, I will post (someday) all that I’m asking is for some lines drawn in the sand. Is that such a horrible thing?

A Captain Kirk would say, “Fire Phasers and blow those Klingon bastards to hell.”

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There are some stories featuring characters of a questionable age doing adult acts there as of late and thus, until they’re cleaned up and we get some firm guidelines, I won’t be posting there. When you end up seeing three stories in as many weeks with a note that begins with “I’m not a pedophile BUT…” (JIMP and Jeremy Wilson sorry guys, got call it as I read it) it’s not some place I want to host my stories. In the end I know that many people will argue that they are just “stories” but oh well.

For me, it comes down to my preference.

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Not at the moment. I’m still working. I finished Part IV and now I’m beginning Part V. I haven’t decided if I’ll put up on Brawna or not even though I’d like to.

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CptMatt wrote:

AlexG wrote:

:huh: :blink: :ohmy: :woohoo: B)

Link: http://www.amg-lite.com/amazing_muscle_beauties/

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Wow! Now that’s just about a perfect picture. You get a good look at her arms, shoulders, chest and then that face. And those eyes……… :ohmy: :blush:

The visual inspiration for one of my characters I wrote about. She looks great! Nice picture!

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khuddle wrote:

Another thing apparent from the photos is the actress in question is not athletic in the least: her body is pale and shapeless, her sprinting form is horrible — she’s obviously never run track before. There are even a couple of photos where she looks winded and gassed. Have another burrito, sweetie. Pathetic.
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While she could use a little more athleticism, I still wouldn’t kick her out of bed for eating crackers.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u73/cyarena/celebrities/adrianne-palicki/adrianne-palicki-sexy.jpg

Lastly, some of you may remember this young actress (Jess) from Supernatural (awesome show)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_duHSVvlQ (Ghostly blond woman on the corner)

I know, I know. Nerd plug.

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Pug wrote:

Yay!!! More Star Stones, More Steve the Z – if we can have Amazon women take over Google so Crazyfck can write and drag Marknew out of his hole life will be Grand!!

Although as an aside, you gotta get Diana to give you an Author Page Steve. You (or maybe JPC900) have to be the most prolific author that for some reason doesn’t have a page for the entire collection.

{G} – Pug

A tiny spoiler for you…

When he had finished pulling, Hawke helped the disheveled person wrap their legs around the branch, and climb back to the shore. The entire time he was unable to see the face due to the person’s disheveled hair.

Finally reaching shore, the small figure collapsed in exhaustion in Hawke’s lap.

“There, there now. Everything’s okay. You’re safe now. What were you doing in that river?” Hawke asked has he brushed wet, raven colored hair from the person’s face. Deep blue eyes stared up at him.

It was the woman from the raid on the Queen’s treasury.

“Hello again Captain.” Jaina smiled up at him sweetly. “Miss me?”

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CaptMatt…

What did you have published? I’m curious.

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This is a separate question, but wasn’t there a forum post a while back asking who you cast to play your characters in a story?

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