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February 6, 2006 at 5:00 am in reply to: When a joke goes too far, or a way to ruin some months #21921
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantTo continue the analogy, vhs and betamax started roughly at the same time. Vhs won the race, betamax got out-dated. In turn, vhs is now disappearing. Science and religion have the same roots, they are tools of understanding. However, science has definitely been more successful than organised religion. (I say "organised" as the individual religious faith and belief appears to be innate to human biology, and there is no point in trying to imagine humans without faith of any kind.)
Science itself has evolved (that's one of it's main strengths). The theories of the 17th century, suggesting empirical measurement of everything, are no longer the sole principle of science. The development of qualitative and institutional research in the last 120 years (see Max Weber or Sigmund Freud as examples) and the development of modern philosophy have transcended the scales and weights of empirical science.
Recent research in brain physiology has begun analysing the actual processes of creating consciousness, and thus belief, will and faith. Of course, this suggests a very deterministic approach to life, but due to another beautiful, albeit confusing, discovery, chaos theory, we may even drop this "belief".
If science is a tool, it can be misused. This is true for all tools, hammers, guns, ovens, books and religion alike. As you say, this doesn't devalue the tool.
February 5, 2006 at 6:39 am in reply to: When a joke goes too far, or a way to ruin some months #21914El_Roy_1999
ParticipantIt is a sad fact that many people in the middle East and the North of Africa have nothing but their religion. They have no freedom, no rights, no money and a shitty standard of living. (If you've ever been to Cairo, Marrakesh, Gaza or Basra, you know what I'm talking about.) It is a well-known fact that if the state fails, private charity, usually inspired by religion, takes over. Religious law replaces state law.
Of course, ridiculing the last stable part of your society is not going to make you win a popularity contest.However: Religion is an outdated technology. It has failed to solve the most complicated problems of primitive and modern society, just think of the plague, medical care, sexual complexes or long-distance travel. Instead, modern societies use science. The essence of science is doubt, the main concept of religion is belief. If you rule out doubt, you lose all the benefits of science, especially it's perpetual expansion of knowledge.
Now, historically Islam is a derivative of Arianism, a religious doctrine affirming the humanity of Jesus and the totality of God. It is very well adapted to modern society since it does not impose any limits on human development. (God is deemed to be too complex for human understanding, furthermore, the concept of kismet suggests that humanity should not take "acts of God" personally.)
Due to the loss of Andalusia and the emergence of the Ottoman power in the 15th century, Islam has changed to become more strict and dogmatic. This has remained the status quo with very few exceptions.In my opinion, the pendulum is about to swing the other way: The return flow of money from the Muslim population working in first world countries is increasing individual prosperity, while globalisation increases business flows. This change is a herald of the collapse of the fixed order in Muslim countries. The two traditional power blocks, the military and the religious have something to fight about: The faith of their followers. To instir them with political fervour, everything goes: Thus pointless hysteria facing a rather tasteless joke.
I say, it's okay, it will pass. If one doesn't want to insult people, he oughtn't become a caricature artist. The same goes for getting insulted in turn. (If you can't take a joke, don't make one.) Besides, the Arabic language can be very picturesque even while being courteous, be careful with literal translations.
If you want to help calm the situation, buy your foodstuff at an Arab or Turk or similar grocery store, the money you spend there will eventually build a home for a family. Do not forget the central tennet of social democracy: People who have something to lose do not revolt.
PS: As many have said, it would be better if the news channels brought positive information about the area once in a while. Maybe something about the reduction of infant death or about a NGO success. Why not? It's still news.
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantHuge and muscular? Weeell… I guess we'll use some Rembrandt!
Using Mr. Morrison's lineart as a frame, here's a monstrously muscular version.
As we all know: "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing!"
Kudos to Mr. Morrison!
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantJust wanted to show off and tell everyone about the request I worked on here:
http://www.amaz0ns.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,44/topic,1822.15It's a forum member!
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantI gave it a try. I hope you like it:

El_Roy_1999
ParticipantA try at the last scene of the story. It's so difficult to fit all the muscle in a picture, so I guess they're a little smaller than they're meant to be. Any actual artists who could draw the scene?
Be careful, it involves nudity.
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantOK. Critique is always welcome, so I tried to improve. Also, as a kind of growth sequence, 3 versions of Kim.
gblock, it's OK, I'm rather stable in my emotions.
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantSorry about the random girl. I was thinking of the muscles. Next: Kim. Head's a random pic from the net (google), body is kristy hawkins, breasts are pandora peaks'.
All of it is gently morphed, colour-swapped and manipulated to fit. I think this should be a nice pic of the middle of the story, same time as Nina.
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantThanks! I'll see if I'll be able to write another one soon.
El_Roy_1999
ParticipantWow. Thanks a lot.
BTW: It's the modified musculature of Annie Rivieccio, the face of Tina Zampa and the breasts of a random online girl
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